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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 30 @ 9:43 PM ET
Vilardi 5-15 on FO's
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:44 PM ET
No.

Seriously , could you not easily pick out 20 players tonight alone that couldn't replace Megna?

- VANTEL

This is pretty confusing. Pretty sure You're saying old magma is a easily replaced player... Also, are we talking on Utica or just in general?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:44 PM ET
How about those St Louis Cardinals
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:46 PM ET
Vilardi 5-15 on FO's
- Nighthawk


A winger playing my center tonight ...I imagine he gets better if he actually plays center
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:49 PM ET
This is pretty confusing. Pretty sure You're saying old magma is a easily replaced player... Also, are we talking on Utica or just in general?
- neem55



I am saying there is 20 players on the ice currently with better skills than Megna and Burrows.

I am not suggesting to draft and start them if that is what you are wondering. Draft and develop.

I am saying teams should not trade away first round picks.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:49 PM ET
As long as their core are still elite they should always be going for a cup and not building long term ...once the sids and Kane's are no longer top tier players then they shouldn't be trading firsts
- Redmile247


Bowman will and has done this with picks or recently picked/traded for first round guys. We need to clear space to make a deal with them happen, until we have some wiggle room it's hard because those teams want to unload salary.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:50 PM ET
I am saying there is 20 players on the ice currently with better skills than Megna and Burrows.

I am not suggesting to draft and start them if that is what you are wondering. Draft and develop.

I am saying teams should not trade away first round picks.

- VANTEL


I agree, and with your other statement: the overall talent of young guys has made the first two rounds very valuable. Teams seem to trade them every year though, hopefully we capitalize.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:51 PM ET
I agree, and with your other statement: the overall talent of young guys has made the first two rounds very valuable. Teams seem to trade them every year though, hopefully we capitalize.
- neem55

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:59 PM ET
Dam lottery simulator hasn't added the knights yet. What's a guy got to do to waste his monday night these days?!
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 30 @ 10:01 PM ET
I agree, and with your other statement: the overall talent of young guys has made the first two rounds very valuable. Teams seem to trade them every year though, hopefully we capitalize.
- neem55



GM's going up against the cap make ELC 1sts more valuable.
2nds r trading currency these days & those r not what many ppl make them out to be. Its all about talent or finding gems later on in the draft. The gems r who make the real difference. Not much separation after the 1st 5 picks or so IMO
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 30 @ 10:04 PM ET
2 months ago I thought that if we are out of top 6 territory we should be looking at Rasmussen, Popuguaev, Hague & Foote. My opinion has not changed much since.

Nighthawk has suggested a few times about Tavares signing as a free-agent in 2018. With the news out of New York today maybe it is a more realistic chance of happening than it first appeared. Can't see JT wanting to play under turmoil of franchise relocation.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jan 30 @ 10:07 PM ET
2 months ago I thought that if we are out of top 6 territory we should be looking at Rasmussen, Popuguaev, Hague & Foote. My opinion has not changed much since.

Nighthawk has suggested a few times about Tavares signifying as a free-agent in 2018. With the news out of New York today maybe it is a more realistic chance of happening than it first appeared. Can't see JT wanting to play under turmoil of franchise relocation.

- Reubenkincade


Have to imagine he will want to go to a team set up to win now though ...
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 10:07 PM ET
GM's going up against the cap make ELC 1sts more valuable.
2nds r trading currency these days & those r not what many ppl make them out to be. Its all about talent or finding gems later on in the draft. The gems r who make the real difference. Not much separation after the 1st 5 picks or so IMO

- Nighthawk


Statistics show there are geometrically(very significantly) more NHL level player players in the first two rounds than any other round. So, from an analytic prespective, you're simply wrong. Second round picks are very valuable. have a look at the drop-off after the second round in the 2010- 2014 drafts, don't need the stats to see: it's very obvious.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 30 @ 10:08 PM ET
Dam lottery simulator hasn't added the knights yet. What's a guy got to do to waste his monday night these days?!
- neem55

Vantel uses cheap wine, as for me I didn't know it was Monday.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 10:10 PM ET
Vantel uses cheap wine, as for me I didn't know it was Monday.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I clearly need to look into this retirement gig
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 30 @ 10:16 PM ET
Bowman will and has done this with picks or recently picked/traded for first round guys. We need to clear space to make a deal with them happen, until we have some wiggle room it's hard because those teams want to unload salary.
- neem55


Dorsett was recently placed on LTIR and Gudbranson can also be placed on LTIR , allowing Benning to spend roughly $6 million over the cap.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 10:17 PM ET
Owen Tippett certainly won me over in that game, that Yamamoto's wrister is pretty loveable. Anyone else have a takeaway? remember were picking around 10-13 as it stands, so lets leave the top 5 out... it will just make me sad we are a bubble team
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jan 30 @ 10:17 PM ET
GM's going up against the cap make ELC 1sts more valuable.
2nds r trading currency these days & those r not what many ppl make them out to be. Its all about talent or finding gems later on in the draft. The gems r who make the real difference. Not much separation after the 1st 5 picks or so IMO

- Nighthawk


Was looking at top 5 picks from 2005-20012...over 50% have been traded or are currently on the block to be traded ...thats a pretty high number imo ...are teams drafting bpa and then trading from a position of strength or are they drafting by need and not liking what they ended up with?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 10:17 PM ET
Dorsett was recently placed on LTIR and Gudbranson can also be placed on LTIR , allowing Benning to spend roughly $6 million over the cap.
- Reubenkincade

Interesting. I don't think Guddy will go on LTIR though, seems liek they would have done that by now no?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 30 @ 10:22 PM ET
Have to imagine he will want to go to a team set up to win now though ...
- Redmile247



Possibly ,but he might want 12 mil instead
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 30 @ 10:23 PM ET
Vantel uses cheap wine, as for me I didn't know it was Monday.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jan 30 @ 10:23 PM ET
Possibly ,but he might want 12 mil instead
- VANTEL

Though he may get it, guy is not worth 12mil.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 30 @ 10:24 PM ET
Was looking at top 5 picks from 2005-20012...over 50% have been traded or are currently on the block to be traded ...thats a pretty high number imo ...are teams drafting bpa and then trading from a position of strength or are they drafting by need and not liking what they ended up with?
- Redmile247


I was thinking no way until I saw the top 5 in 2010 have all been dealt. As to your second point, I think its BPA when you draft top5 for the most part but teams will reach sometimes at around 4 or 5 in a way you would with top3 IMO. Most of the guys in the 2010 one were part of very significant trades.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 30 @ 10:27 PM ET
Possibly ,but he might want 12 mil instead
- VANTEL



I doubt Canucks get in on the JT sweeps . The only way they could entice him is with the highest bid.

I am in no way suggesting to do that I was just pointing out to Red there is a plan B
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jan 30 @ 10:28 PM ET
I doubt Canucks get in on the JT sweeps . The only way they could entice him is with the highest bid.

I am in no way suggesting to do that I was just pointing out to Red there is a plan B

- VANTEL


Quoting yourself is not being a good poster.
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