You are beyond hope. The players I put down there I put simply to prove my point. Hockey is a TEAM game. Seguin is on a team that gets scored on a lot because their defense and goaltending sucks, same goes for Colorado. It has nothing to do with Seguin, Duchene or Landeskog. Colorado is the worst of the two. They have 3 star players playing on lines with garbage. Mackinnon is playing with Grig and rantanen, Duchene and Landy are playing with Neito. The defense is atrocious and cant move the puck, usually turn it over and Pickard and Varlamov have been garbage. Yet you would say these 3 players suck because of that! +/- is a TEAM stat. It depends on the 6 guys on the ice.

Another Poster brought up Bergeron. He struggled but Boston did not. Therefore while he was doing little in terms of scoring his line still wasnt being scored on and his line mates were scoring. Bergeron was also still getting a lot of SOG. Just nothing to show for it. He was getting a + and but he wouldnt be involved in the goal. I play Hockey fantasy in 2 leagues every year and it is common fantasy knowledge to never build your team around +/- because it is unpredictable. Players on bad teams get minuses. Flyers are a bad team. MAson and Neurvirth have not gotten the job done consistently, the D still sucks and Flyers still could use some more fire power up front. Aside from Simmonds, Giroux, Schenn and Voracek there is no consistent scoring. I think it is time that the Flyers give up on the Couturier 2nd line experiment. He is a 3rd line Center nothing more.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Brother, he is just messing with you, and being silly.

(frank) it.

+/- is a useless, worthless stat and should be 100% discredited.

Raw shots attempt differentials carry more weight than +/-.

I don't care.

Brother, he is just messing with you, and being silly.
- MJL

Yep as a feel the +/- vs corsi discussion is also. Just messing around since we are hockey deprived again.

So they get back to work tomorrow night. I wonder if Weise will be back in the lineup. I know hard with team winning 3 straight but I wonder if they try to get something out of him or just keep going with the same lineup.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing him in for Raffl. Raffl hasn't really been doing much on that top line.
- J35Bacher

If Weise isn't playing I would hope someone in the media would ask the GM how he feels about his only major free agent signing being a regular healthy scratch.

I don't think I've ever implied or stated that would be wise. I also think I've stated that, while +/- is not "useless" as some have stated, it's not any more than a general reference and should be treated as such.
- jmatchett383

I guess I just don't understand why something with so much variation can be seen as useful

I guess I just don't understand why something with so much variation can be seen as useful
- PhillySportsGuy

Like I said above, I don't give a (frank) because it's like screaming at a wall.

If Weise isn't playing I would hope someone in the media would ask the GM how he feels about his only major free agent signing being a regular healthy scratch.
- Feanor

The answer Hextall will give will be the basic NHL party line of he got beat out by another player it happens all the time.

The answer Hextall will give will be the basic NHL party line of he got beat out by another player it happens all the time.
- dragonoffrost

He hasn't played as well as other players to date and/or other players have played better than him to date. Not very convoluted.

The answer Hextall will give will be the basic NHL party line of he got beat out by another player it happens all the time.
- dragonoffrost

Probably. But Hexy can be pretty honest sometimes.

Like I said above, I don't give a (frank) because it's like screaming straw man arguments at a wall.
- jmatchett383

Fixed that for you.

The answer Hextall will give will be the basic NHL party line of he got beat out by another player it happens all the time.
- dragonoffrost

Instead the answer he really wants to give which would be: go (frank) yourself Carchidi

Fixed that for you.
- Feanor

Great.

Instead the answer he really wants to give which would be: go (frank) yourself Carchidi
- BiggE

Maybe he can channel his inner Torts?

Instead the answer he really wants to give which would be: go (frank) yourself Carchidi
- BiggE

But I'd expect Panotch to ask it first. Panotch has an air of douchecanoe to him.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...aczynski-comes-down-earth

The correct answer is +/- is not a reliable tool.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-flyers/future-flyers-report-tomeks-1st-collegiate-start-laczynski-comes-down-earth
- nastyflyergirl

Only 1 assist in 4 games coming off of an injury? Bust city!

Only 1 assist in 4 games coming off of an injury? Bust city!
- jmatchett383

they are all bust. even the ones that had 2 points in one game. Should be dominating more and have 3 or 4 easily

He hasn't played as well as other players to date and/or other players have played better than him to date. Not very convoluted.
- jmatchett383

He hasn't. but I could make a case Raffl hasn't been great either. But I also know they won 3 straight

The correct answer is +/- is not a reliable tool.
- Streit2ThePoint

The correct answer is that +/- is just another arrow in a HB Warrior's quiver.

The correct answer is that +/- is just another arrow in a HB Warrior's quiver.
- Just5

I will allow this to be a sub-correct answer to my correct answer.

The only stat that truly matters is Proof. It needs to be 80 or greater or it's just not worth drinking.

But I'd expect Panotch to ask it first. Panotch has an air of douchecanoe to him.
- dragonoffrost

This is known

The correct answer is that +/- is just another arrow in a HB Warrior's quiver.
- Just5

Warrior needs food badly.

Nice to see Simmonds get the MVP. At least the flyers win something this year! ......... relax! Just screwing with you guys. I was really impressed with Simmonds though I have to say. He played really well and showed a lot of skill as well as the goals. When you don't watch a player day in day out you really don't see how good they are. For me he now becomes a player I hate because he's not on MY team and not because he plays for the flyers.