I'm interptreting what I'm hearing from the organization. Call it a hunch.

Guddy was a win for JB. You don't aquire a big, mobile Dman and then give up on him in two seasons. I'm thinking JB loves to have at least one big man on his defensive core. Guddy will be here for awhile.

Sbisa's improved play has got the attention of the canucks. I believe JB values the player and will try and retain him. I don't agree he will be exposed.

As I said, the dman group seems ok for a rebuilding team.
- bloatedmosquito

I am not sure they can protect Sbisa. Edler, EG and Tanev have more value. Hopefully he trades one of them and we don't lose anyone of value

Patrick or Vilardi might be able to step in if handled right. They have NHL size and skills. I don't mean step in like Mathews and carry a 1st line or anything but I think those two have a shot. I don't think I'd take Vilardi over Hirschier though.
- boonerbuck

Of course I'm talking in generalities.

When it comes to picking actual prospects that fit my description, that's where my plan falls apart. You need to have a top three pick to control your decision making. At the 10 – 20 position you are at the mercy of the what’s available. The draft doesn't always produce what you need so you have to be able to control your placement in the draft. Only way to do that is to have a high position that allows you to move that pick to get the place you want.

Looks like we will be picking in that 20ish spot. Oh well, we’ll have to wait to see what we end up with. We should have a clear picture in 3 years or so.

- CanuckDon

I would also note that a player on pace for 42 points being considered a 'fringe 1st liner' perfectly demonstrates the current predicament of this team.

I am not sure they can protect Sbisa. Edler, EG and Tanev have more value. Hopefully he trades one of them and we don't lose anyone of value
- CanuckDon

Edler is the cornerstone to this dilemma. He's one of our best players but his time is coming to an end. I don't think you can get true value from him in a trade. He's got a NTC right?

But for me, he's the best option to go. If anything, it continues the movement towards a new team identity. That group had their shot and they came close. Time to go and we'll see you at the ring of fire ceremony in a few years.

What do you think of Lance Stroll signing with Williams?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think that it must be nice to have a billionaire daddy who is willing to pay whatever it takes to get you a ride in Formula 1

I think that it must be nice to have a billionaire daddy how is willing to pay whatever it takes to get you a ride in Formula 1
- PetrolSexual

That's exactly what it is lol.
I have met that kid on numerous occasions, his parasite of a father having a mansion complex on lake Tremblant.

I can tell you from personal experience that he is one of the most entitled, self-serving little poops i have ever met lol.

I would also note that a player on pace for 42 points being considered a 'fringe 1st liner' perfectly demonstrates the current predicament of this team.
- Whiskey-Tango

I just copied this from Canucks Army - so I don't have to do any research of my own as I am lazy

•***So, Baertschi's having himself quite the season. If he continues at this pace, Baertschi will finish with 23 goals and 46 points. In laymen's, he's on pace for fringe first line production. He's the 41st most productive even strength scorer by Corsica.Hockey, and I doubt they've updated their database to include tonight's results yet. That number could spike by tomorrow. Nothing new here, though. It seems every time I'm writing one of these I'm breaking down how obscenely productive Baertschi is.***

You are right that he is too streaky of a player but the bottom line is he gets it done. To you point regarding the playoffs? Who knows how he will perform. He did do great for Utica in the playoffs though. My point is I do believe he can be part of the core. Granlund, I would like to keep him but won't lose sleep if Vegas claims him.

I think that it must be nice to have a billionaire daddy how is willing to pay whatever it takes to get you a ride in Formula 1
- PetrolSexual

Who the hell is lance Stroll?

All true, but at the time it seemed that old ways were returning and it got more than a few people in here (and the media) a bit concerned. This franchise does have a reputation of not getting the best out of those types of trades.

In response to the bolded... but what's the payout? Sure 40+ goals are awesome but if it's at the expense of squeaking into the playoffs with little to no hope and losing draft placement then I don't see much to celebrate.

In my estimation, I don't think either of those two guys will be difference makers when the canucks get back to being contenders.
- bloatedmosquito

People were only looking at it from a negative side. Like I said now and then, the Flames were taking the bigger risk. If we were the ones trading away those two young players, all the same people fretting over Shink would have taken a similiar position. Nature of the beast.

You can't complain about your young player succeeding and putting you on the edge of making the playoffs. How is that a bad thing? Don't trade for young offense because they might score? Do we now reconsider whether we should have drafted Bo because he's now carrying the team to the playoffs and it's too early for that? Same as Stetcher and Tryamkin? That happened to quick? It seems more of an argument about bringing in UFA's... which was one of your beefs. Instead, we have guys under 24 pushing this team towards the playoffs mostly.(outside of the crease)

You don't think they will be difference makers in the future? Why? That kind of flies in the face of your position on Shink when people limit his potential... I just mentioned how people will just move the complaint around... or reverse the position... this is what I mean.

I think that it must be nice to have a billionaire daddy how is willing to pay whatever it takes to get you a ride in Formula 1
- PetrolSexual

Edler is the cornerstone to this dilemma. He's one of our best players but his time is coming to an end. I don't think you can get true value from him in a trade. He's got a NTC right?

But for me, he's the best option to go. If anything, it continues the movement towards a new team identity. That group had their shot and they came close. Time to go and we'll see you at the ring of fire ceremony in a few years.
- bloatedmosquito

I would also like to trade Edler if we fall out of the playoff picture. He has a NTC but they could probably convince him to waive

Have to admit though getting a bit worried...other 4th liners here have been able to manufacture SOME points with similar TOI...guess we'll see if gets and opportunity to play with top 6 guys and gets his TOI up.
- LordHumungous

I've been impressed with his forechecking the last 1/2 dozen games. He seems to have stepped up the tenacity a notch or two. If he keeps that up, he is going to stay with the team.

I just copied this from Canucks Army - so I don't have to do any research of my own as I am lazy

•***So, Baertschi's having himself quite the season. If he continues at this pace, Baertschi will finish with 23 goals and 46 points. In laymen's, he's on pace for fringe first line production. He's the 41st most productive even strength scorer by Corsica.Hockey, and I doubt they've updated their database to include tonight's results yet. That number could spike by tomorrow. Nothing new here, though. It seems every time I'm writing one of these I'm breaking down how obscenely productive Baertschi is.***

You are right that he is too streaky of a player but the bottom line is he gets it done. To you point regarding the playoffs? Who knows how he will perform. He did do great for Utica in the playoffs though. My point is I do believe he can be part of the core. Granlund, I would like to keep him but won't lose sleep if Vegas claims him.
- CanuckDon

Perfect, I get to plan for the hysteria ahead of time.

A fringe top six player.
How many points he put in the first few months of the year?

Anyone remember Andrei Kostitsyn from the Habs?
All the talent in the world, would put up 45-50 point seasons, would get 30 of those points over the course of one month.

You don't win cups with players like that, and this is coming from a YUGE Sven fan.
His talent is never in question, his consistency is. He still needs to improve on that.

Also, did you throw enough' laughs' in there?
Arrogant wiener.
- Whiskey-Tango

Not really a fair comparison. Any and all young guys have to learn consistency, Sven's playing in his second full-season and every stat has improved from last year. This suggests that he is and that Canucks may have fleeced Calgary in that deal.

Are you aware that Bae is producing at a fringe 1st line pace? How can you call him a fringe player


- CanuckDon

See what I mean. The negative spin...

People were only looking at it from a negative side. Like I said now and then, the Flames were taking the bigger risk. If we were the ones trading away those two young players, all the same people fretting over Shink would have taken a similiar position. Nature of the beast.

You can't complain about your young player succeeding and putting you on the edge of making the playoffs. How is that a bad thing? Don't trade for young offense because they might score? Do we now reconsider whether we should have drafted Bo because he's now carrying the team to the playoffs and it's too early for that? Same as Stetcher and Tryamkin? That happened to quick? It seems more of an argument about bringing in UFA's... which was one of your beefs. Instead, we have guys under 24 pushing this team towards the playoffs mostly.(outside of the crease)

You don't think they will be difference makers in the future? Why? That kind of flies in the face of your position on Shink when people limit his potential... I just mentioned how people will just move the complaint around... or reverse the position... this is what I mean.
- boonerbuck

I stopped reading half way through the second paragraph. Horse shit post.

Of course I'm talking in generalities.

When it comes to picking actual prospects that fit my description, that's where my plan falls apart. You need to have a top three pick to control your decision making. At the 10 – 20 position you are at the mercy of the what’s available. The draft doesn't always produce what you need so you have to be able to control your placement in the draft. Only way to do that is to have a high position that allows you to move that pick to get the place you want.

Looks like we will be picking in that 20ish spot. Oh well, we’ll have to wait to see what we end up with. We should have a clear picture in 3 years or so.
- bloatedmosquito

Boeser at 23 says hi

A fringe top six player.
How many points he put in the first few months of the year?

Anyone remember Andrei Kostitsyn from the Habs?
All the talent in the world, would put up 45-50 point seasons, would get 30 of those points over the course of one month.

You don't win cups with players like that, and this is coming from a YUGE Sven fan.
His talent is never in question, his consistency is. He still needs to improve on that.

Also, did you throw enough' laughs' in there?
Arrogant wiener.
- Whiskey-Tango

October 2 points in 9 games (0.22 ppg)
November 8 points in 12 games (0.66 ppg)
December 10 points in 14 games (0.71 ppg)
January 6 points in 11 games (0.54 ppg)

He seems streaky, but if you actually break down his numbers they are usually pretty consistent. Even last season in 20 game intervals they were pretty close throughout the whole year, we just expect higher production from him I guess. Last night ended what tied his longest drought this season without a point, which was 5 games

A fringe top six player.
How many points he put in the first few months of the year?

Anyone remember Andrei Kostitsyn from the Habs?
All the talent in the world, would put up 45-50 point seasons, would get 30 of those points over the course of one month.

You don't win cups with players like that, and this is coming from a YUGE Sven fan.
His talent is never in question, his consistency is. He still needs to improve on that.

Also, did you throw enough' laughs' in there?
Arrogant wiener.
- Whiskey-Tango

So, we won't win a cup with Bart on our team? Ok.

Boeser at 23 says hi

- boonerbuck

Hi Brock

I just copied this from Canucks Army - so I don't have to do any research of my own as I am lazy

•***So, Baertschi's having himself quite the season. If he continues at this pace, Baertschi will finish with 23 goals and 46 points. In laymen's, he's on pace for fringe first line production. He's the 41st most productive even strength scorer by Corsica.Hockey, and I doubt they've updated their database to include tonight's results yet. That number could spike by tomorrow. Nothing new here, though. It seems every time I'm writing one of these I'm breaking down how obscenely productive Baertschi is.***

You are right that he is too streaky of a player but the bottom line is he gets it done. To you point regarding the playoffs? Who knows how he will perform. He did do great for Utica in the playoffs though. My point is I do believe he can be part of the core. Granlund, I would like to keep him but won't lose sleep if Vegas claims him.
- CanuckDon

Ain't that the truth

I agree, he's a nice piece having a great season so-far, but, putting things in perspective we are a ways off in terms of assembling that post Sedin, competitive top six.

?-?-?
Sven-Bo-Boeser (assuming he develops into what i think we all hope can be a 30 goal guy).

I think Eriksson's a top six guy under-performing but, by the time we find those first line guys, he will likely be even ollllllder.

Virtanen is having a rough go being a 3rd liner in the AHL

Not really a fair comparison. Any and all young guys have to learn consistency, Sven's playing in his second full-season and every stat has improved from last year. This suggests that he is and that Canucks may have fleeced Calgary in that deal.
- neem55

maybe.

I look at it and wonder if a player is going to develop a certain way regardless of environment or if the environment and opportunity are determining factors?

Would Sven's development be where it is today if he was still in Calgary or would he be languishing in the AHL?

I'm a Sven fan.

Who the hell is lance Stroll?
- LordHumungous

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October 2 points in 9 games (0.22 ppg)
November 8 points in 12 games (0.66 ppg)
December 10 points in 14 games (0.71 ppg)
January 6 points in 11 games (0.54 ppg)

He seems streaky, but if you actually break down his numbers they are usually pretty consistent. Even last season in 20 game intervals they were pretty close throughout the whole year, we just expect higher production from him I guess. Last night ended what tied his longest drought this season without a point, which was 5 games
- WhiteLie

Interesting post...he has been quite consistent if you remove the first 9 games

Of course I'm talking in generalities.

When it comes to picking actual prospects that fit my description, that's where my plan falls apart. You need to have a top three pick to control your decision making. At the 10 – 20 position you are at the mercy of the what’s available. The draft doesn't always produce what you need so you have to be able to control your placement in the draft. Only way to do that is to have a high position that allows you to move that pick to get the place you want.

Looks like we will be picking in that 20ish spot. Oh well, we’ll have to wait to see what we end up with. We should have a clear picture in 3 years or so.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm not convinced this team makes the playoffs, even as pro-tanker I do find watching Bo/Bae play so well pretty great. I think we miss out, not by much but teams like LA and Dallas will heat back up. Can the Canucks stay hot? that second line will be the deciding factor, which I've said all along I'm fine if its the young guys leading the way. I think were a bubble team in the draft, hopefully top-15. If Tanev or Edler go down, we may be singing a different tune, as much as it's that second line, those two back in the lineup healthy has been a huge difference (have a look at our record when one or both are out).