HAHA, well no of course not. Trying to prove that "pace" doesn't matter to depth guys, especially "great depth" guys that they just want to be in the show. Don't put it past Feds or J Boyd though, once Yzerman leaves one of them takes over sooooo
- Kucherovski

Yeah (frank) those guys

Right. Because me playing hockey and having knowledge about the game are the same thing. Even more logical thinking. Nice going genius.

Who are you and what rink do I play with you at?
- j.boyd919

It is like me talking about being an expert on basketball like you're an expert on hockey when I can't even play basketball. Sure I can talk about it but I can't act like an authority on it like you do.

I don't play anymore. I used to play for Beerhawks in Brandon on Monday nights and you played on a green team. It's been a while since I played, probably a year or so.

Yeah (frank) those guys
- Mordecai

He showed me nothing about Johnson. He used his career points per game x total games he COULD play, not times career games played per year. So because multiple "hockey buzzers" have said Drouin is a stud that makes him a stud? It is not possible for someone to have a different opinion of Drouin because of "multiple hockey buzzers"? That's what I am talking about, opinions aren't fact. I don't call you stupid because you think Drouin is a stud, I don't agree but that's fine, I could make sense of it. I don't agree Johnson will ever get 55 points in a season but I don't call you stupid because you do, I just disagree. One of us will probably be right and time will tell, I can be wrong but for some reason you're so against the chance of being wrong that you have to try insult people and make yourself better....they are all OPINIONS
- Kucherovski

Yes, they are all opinions, they are all opinions backed up by data, and research.. opinions with data and research normally hold more weight than empty arguments with arbitrary numbers (Johnson continuing at a career avg vs. 8 players increasing production or that Drouin is on pace for 1st line production). But when you choose to ignore data and research and logical thinking, choosing to remain ignorant, it is why people don't respect your opinions.

You gotta give me more because that was not hard to understand. Ask Conacher if he would rather play a full season in the NHL with ZERO points or play 7 games and get the "pace" you keep talking about, I bet the answer is a full season which is why pace does not matter when we're talking depth guys, it is about the games they are playing in the NHL.
- Kucherovski

Your theory on why pace is not important is hysterical. Conacher would care about his pace because that is what is going to earn him his next contract.

- eichiefs9

Your theory on why pace is not important is hysterical. Conacher would care about his pace because that is what is going to earn him his next contract.
- Feds91Stammer

Would he care about his 7 game pace more than playing a full season? What do you think he would care about more? You think he is more likely to get a contract playing 7 games but scoring at a decent pace compared to playing a full season but not scoring?

Would he care about his 7 game pace more than playing a full season? What do you think he would care about more? You think he is more likely to get a contract playing 7 games but scoring at a decent pace compared to playing a full season but not scoring?
- Kucherovski

Well he gets paid the same whether he is in the NHL or AHL and if he gets 0 points in 82 games he probably doesn't get another contract. So that is why he cares.

Yes, they are all opinions, they are all opinions backed up by data, and research.. opinions with data and research normally hold more weight than empty arguments with arbitrary numbers (Johnson continuing at a career avg vs. 8 players increasing production or that Drouin is on pace for 1st line production). But when you choose to ignore data and research and logical thinking, choosing to remain ignorant, it is why people don't respect your opinions.
- j.boyd919

Dude you can't be serious? Has Johnson hit 55 points at all besides once? Has Johnson played 82 games every year? Those were things you guys were saying, I was disagreeing with those. You think Drouin is a stud but then you don't think he will produce like a 1st liner? What is your definition of a stud? I gave you plenty of data, I told you over and over again Kucherov is increasing his point per game every year so it is logical thinking that he will continue that considering he is 24 years old, 5 more points from him is reasonable. Stamkos has missed a ton of games and was on fire before he got hurt, you think it is not logical to think he could get 10 more points? Last year Stamkos put up 64 points in 77 games, you think it is IMPOSSIBLE for Stamkos to get 74 points next year? Namestnikov was playing well with Stamkos, you think it is illogical to think if he plays a full season with Stamkos he can put up 5 more points? None of what I said is illogical or not thought out but because you disagree that means it's wrong to you and that means I'm stupid and that means the general idea is just wrong. Do you not see the problem with that thinking of yours?

Well he gets paid the same whether he is in the NHL or AHL and if he gets 0 points in 82 games he probably doesn't get another contract. So that is why he cares.
- Feds91Stammer

Ok well since he has a .30 pace this year I can't wait for his contract next year since it's all about the pace.

It is like me talking about being an expert on basketball like you're an expert on hockey when I can't even play basketball. Sure I can talk about it but I can't act like an authority on it like you do.

I don't play anymore. I used to play for Beerhawks in Brandon on Monday nights and you played on a green team. It's been a while since I played, probably a year or so.
- Kucherovski

That is possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen. Just because someone doesn't play a sport, does not mean they cannot learn the ins and outs of the sport, learn how to evaluate players, and systems, etc. Not saying I am at the level of a coach, or GM, but I've studied the sport for long enough to know the game.

For example.. Jon Cooper's highest level of hockey was HIGH SCHOOL and he is now an NHL coach. You just further proved your ignorance. Thanks.

Dude you can't be serious? Has Johnson hit 55 points at all besides once? Has Johnson played 82 games every year? Those were things you guys were saying, I was disagreeing with those. You think Drouin is a stud but then you don't think he will produce like a 1st liner? What is your definition of a stud? I gave you plenty of data, I told you over and over again Kucherov is increasing his point per game every year so it is logical thinking that he will continue that considering he is 24 years old, 5 more points from him is reasonable. Stamkos has missed a ton of games and was on fire before he got hurt, you think it is not logical to think he could get 10 more points? Last year Stamkos put up 64 points in 77 games, you think it is IMPOSSIBLE for Stamkos to get 74 points next year? Namestnikov was playing well with Stamkos, you think it is illogical to think if he plays a full season with Stamkos he can put up 5 more points? None of what I said is illogical or not thought out but because you disagree that means it's wrong to you and that means I'm stupid and that means the general idea is just wrong. Do you not see the problem with that thinking of yours?
- Kucherovski

That is possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen. Just because someone doesn't play a sport, does not mean they cannot learn the ins and outs of the sport, learn how to evaluate players, and systems, etc. Not saying I am at the level of a coach, or GM, but I've studied the sport for long enough to know the game.

For example.. Jon Cooper's highest level of hockey was HIGH SCHOOL and he is now an NHL coach. You just further proved your ignorance. Thanks.


- j.boyd919

Of course you could know the game but in order to be an expert, which you act like, you have to be more successful with the game. Cooper is an NHL coach, he has been more successful. You don't do anything around the game besides be a fan, 99.99% of the people here are just fans but your level or arrogance and acting like an expert should be reserved for, well experts. I am not an expert at all, that's why I could be wrong on every single thing I've ever said. I could also disagree with everything you've ever said but I will never say you're stupid for a thought you have because I don't have the arrogance to think my opinion is better or more accurate than yours. I am all for having a discussion, I am all for disagreeing, as a matter of fact I enjoy long discussions based on facts and/or opinions. It starts to get annoying when the opinions of some people are pushed off as fact which is what you do. Anything I say is all opinion, some of them may become fact like the amount of points people get but until that happens they are just opinions.

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Of course you could know the game but in order to be an expert, which you act like, you have to be more successful with the game. Cooper is an NHL coach, he has been more successful. You don't do anything around the game besides be a fan, 99.99% of the people here are just fans but your level or arrogance and acting like an expert should be reserved for, well experts. I am not an expert at all, that's why I could be wrong on every single thing I've ever said. I could also disagree with everything you've ever said but I will never say you're stupid for a thought you have because I don't have the arrogance to think my opinion is better or more accurate than yours. I am all for having a discussion, I am all for disagreeing, as a matter of fact I enjoy long discussions based on facts and/or opinions. It starts to get annoying when the opinions of some people are pushed off as fact which is what you do. Anything I say is all opinion, some of them may become fact like the amount of points people get but until that happens they are just opinions.

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- Kucherovski

Great gif, rekt

Great gif, rekt
- Mordecai

I just think it's really foolish for Tampa to move Johnson without at least trying to move Filppula first.

I'm not sure what this blogger means by him being inconsistent. I think he overachieved two years ago, but appears to be a consistent 20+ Goal/50 point pace guy.

Tampa needs to be very careful, because who knows how injury-prone Stamkos will remain to be moving forward. It stinks to say that, but now two years in a row with near season-ending injuries? With no Johnson, the drop-off is quite steep from Stammer. I know Namestnikov is currently playing #1C, but that's not sustainable.

Great gif, rekt
- Mordecai

I just think it's really foolish for Tampa to move Johnson without at least trying to move Filppula first.

I'm not sure what this blogger means by him being inconsistent. I think he overachieved two years ago, but appears to be a consistent 20+ Goal/50 point pace guy.

Tampa needs to be very careful, because who knows how injury-prone Stamkos will remain to be moving forward. It stinks to say that, but now two years in a row with near season-ending injuries? With no Johnson, the drop-off is quite steep from Stammer. I know Namestnikov is currently playing #1C, but that's not sustainable.
- Rinosaur

Totally agree, if they can move Filp I think they probably re-sign Johnson if the cap hit is reasonable. I think he means that some games Johnson will have 2G, 3 points and other games he will vanish. He will go 4 games without anything then get a few points.

Tough about Stamkos. He played a lot the past two seasons, 12-13 and 13-14 were his injury years but I get it. The guy works out with Roberts and Stamkos has been known to work hard in the offseason, as he ages maybe he needs to dial that back ever so slightly. A healthy Stamkos and this is a way different season (BREAKING NEWS)!

- Feds91Stammer

- eichiefs9

- j.boyd919

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- j.boyd919

- Mordecai