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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:26 PM ET
Fehr has played 83% of Pittsburghs games, Kuhnackl has played 53% of their games, Conacher has played 14% so his "great depth" is that of well below Kuhnackl.
- Kucherovski


I'm pretty sure you actually do not know what a depth signing is.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:27 PM ET
So, just so we're clear here.. a depth signing, is signing a player who may not be a regular in the NHL, but would be ready for the call up if need be and not look out of place and produce in the appropriate role.. right?

So.. the thought process on singing Conacher was probably... he played well here before, and just in case the other guys in Syracuse aren't ready to go... Conacher can fill in so the guys in the AHL can get more ice time than 8 minutes a night. That.. is how GM'S view depth signings.

- j.boyd919


To me a "great depth" signing is a guy who is top 2 or 3 to be called up when there is an open spot. He is obviously not that so that to me is a depth signing, not a great one.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:27 PM ET
So, just so we're clear here.. a depth signing, is signing a player who may not be a regular in the NHL, but would be ready for the call up if need be and not look out of place and produce in the appropriate role.. right?

So.. the thought process on singing Conacher was probably... he played well here before, and just in case the other guys in Syracuse aren't ready to go... Conacher can fill in so the guys in the AHL can get more ice time than 8 minutes a night. That.. is how GM'S view depth signings.

- j.boyd919

And it was a great signing because he doesn't need to be sheltered and his contract is completely buriable and he draws more penalties than he takes. Captain Insane-o over here makes it out like I said Conacher was a beast that was going to get 20 goals and 40 points.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:28 PM ET
To me a "great depth" signing is a guy who is top 2 or 3 to be called up when there is an open spot. He is obviously not that so that to me is a depth signing, not a great one.
- Kucherovski

So your incompetence is based on Cooper's incompetence?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:28 PM ET
To me a "great depth" signing is a guy who is top 2 or 3 to be called up when there is an open spot. He is obviously not that so that to me is a depth signing, not a great one.
- Kucherovski


Yeah, again, you don't know poop.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:29 PM ET
And it was a great signing because he doesn't need to be sheltered and his contract is completely buriable and he draws more penalties than he takes. Captain Insane-o over here makes it out like I said Conacher was a beast that was going to get 20 goals and 40 points.
- Feds91Stammer


To me a "great signing" is someone you may use if you must and that someone can contribute. Someone you have a tough time sending down because of the value they bring. Conacher was a signing and is obviously buried on the depth chart. His contract doesn't matter but if you really think that was a great signing that's fine, we have different opinions. I think the signing was pointless while you think it was great. So far I'm correct because the Lightning don't use him or need him and he has no contract next year.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:31 PM ET
Yeah, again, you don't know poop.
- j.boyd919



Again HOW? He was signed for ONE year, this year. He is buried on the depth chart behind 5 or 6 guys so he isn't even in the top 15 forwards. How is that a great depth signing? Would the Lightning be doing any worse if they did not sign him??
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:34 PM ET
Again HOW? He was signed for ONE year, this year. He is buried on the depth chart behind 5 or 6 guys so he isn't even in the top 15 forwards. How is that a great depth signing? Would the Lightning be doing any worse if they did not sign him??
- Kucherovski


Listen, you've had multiple people explain why you're method of thinking is wrong, whether it be me, or feds, or chief, or anyone else for that matter. If more people are telling you that you're wrong, or thinking is flawed than agreeing with you, maybe you should try and look at things differently without being so stubborn. There's no point in debating with someone who isn't open to change. Everyone has showed you data that says otherwise and you choose to ignore it and remain ignorant, on multiple subjects.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:35 PM ET
So your incompetence is based on Cooper's incompetence?
- Feds91Stammer


Wait a minute? Cooper is incompetent? Based on what facts? So let me get this straight, you know more about Cooper and his ability as a coach compared to Steve Yzerman? Yzerman signed him to a pretty decent contract and he has been successful in Tampa yet you know more about him right? Just making sure I understand because that's what it sounds like. Wait a minute...is this Yzerman!??! It must be!!!!
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:36 PM ET
Listen, you've had multiple people explain why you're method of thinking is wrong, whether it be me, or feds, or chief, or anyone else for that matter. If more people are telling you that you're wrong, or thinking is flawed than agreeing with you, maybe you should try and look at things differently without being so stubborn.
- j.boyd919


Yeah don't talk facts, talk about the opinions of you and Feds. Don't talk about the fact Conacher is buried on the depth chart by guys none of us were talking about over the summer. Make sure you talk about how you and Feds thought/think it was a great depth signing. Makes complete sense, way more sense then reality for sure. Thank you for explaining that the opinion of you and Feds is far more accurate than real life, I was very confused but now I am good.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:38 PM ET
Yeah don't talk facts, talk about the opinions of you and Feds. Don't talk about the fact Conacher is buried on the depth chart by guys none of us were talking about over the summer. Make sure you talk about how you and Feds thought/think it was a great depth signing. Makes complete sense, way more sense then reality for sure.
- Kucherovski

Why would you take this so far? I'm honestly kind of impressed in a sick sort of way.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:41 PM ET
Why would you take this so far? I'm honestly kind of impressed in a sick sort of way.
- Mordecai


Because he told me I was wrong and my thinking was flawed because I don't agree with their opinions. It's bananas the level of narcissim between the two of them. You disagree with their opinion and they say you're stupid and wrong. And it's coming from J. Boyd who can barely skate and carry the puck at the same time.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:42 PM ET
Yeah don't talk facts, talk about the opinions of you and Feds. Don't talk about the fact Conacher is buried on the depth chart by guys none of us were talking about over the summer. Make sure you talk about how you and Feds thought/think it was a great depth signing. Makes complete sense, way more sense then reality for sure. Thank you for explaining that the opinion of you and Feds is far more accurate than real life, I was very confused but now I am good.
- Kucherovski


Or chief showing you earlier about Johnson. Or the multiple hockey buzzers telling you Vegas would never take bishop. Or the multiple people telling you Drouin is a stud. It's not just me and Feds. It's way more people than that. Hahahahaha
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:42 PM ET
Yeah don't talk facts, talk about the opinions of you and Feds. Don't talk about the fact Conacher is buried on the depth chart by guys none of us were talking about over the summer. Make sure you talk about how you and Feds thought/think it was a great depth signing. Makes complete sense, way more sense then reality for sure. Thank you for explaining that the opinion of you and Feds is far more accurate than real life, I was very confused but now I am good.
- Kucherovski

Buried behind guys that score at a lower rate. Is that a fact or is that my opinion?
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:43 PM ET
Buried behind guys that score at a lower rate. Is that a fact or is that my opinion?
- Feds91Stammer



Yes because when someone gets hurt and they need a new body he is not the guy they bring in. I'm not talking about scoring "rate", I'm talking about who they bring in to play the game and he is not the guy they are going to. This is also not only Cooper making those decisions, Yzerman is also making those decisions.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:44 PM ET
Because he told me I was wrong and my thinking was flawed because I don't agree with their opinions. It's bananas the level of narcissim between the two of them. You disagree with their opinion and they say you're stupid and wrong. And it's coming from J. Boyd who can barely skate and carry the puck at the same time.
- Kucherovski


Right. Because me playing hockey and having knowledge about the game are the same thing. Even more logical thinking. Nice going genius.

Who are you and what rink do I play with you at?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:44 PM ET
Yes because when someone gets hurt and they need a new body he is not the guy they bring in. I'm not talking about scoring "rate", I'm talking about who they bring in to play the game and he is not the guy they are going to. This is also not only Cooper making those decisions, Yzerman is also making those decisions.
- Kucherovski

And why is scoring rate not important?
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:46 PM ET
Or chief showing you earlier about Johnson. Or the multiple hockey buzzers telling you Vegas would never take bishop. Or the multiple people telling you Drouin is a stud. It's not just me and Feds. It's way more people than that. Hahahahaha
- j.boyd919


He showed me nothing about Johnson. He used his career points per game x total games he COULD play, not times career games played per year. So because multiple "hockey buzzers" have said Drouin is a stud that makes him a stud? It is not possible for someone to have a different opinion of Drouin because of "multiple hockey buzzers"? That's what I am talking about, opinions aren't fact. I don't call you stupid because you think Drouin is a stud, I don't agree but that's fine, I could make sense of it. I don't agree Johnson will ever get 55 points in a season but I don't call you stupid because you do, I just disagree. One of us will probably be right and time will tell, I can be wrong but for some reason you're so against the chance of being wrong that you have to try insult people and make yourself better....they are all OPINIONS
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:49 PM ET
And why is scoring rate not important?
- Feds91Stammer


Seriously? Why is scoring rate not important when looking at their value as NHL depth? Because if they are not in the NHL, if other players are getting called up to the NHL instead of them then what they did in their very short time in the NHL doesn't matter. How does his scoring rate in 7 games matter when Dumont, Bournival, Peca, Point all get to play before him? If you ask him would he rather play a full season with zero points in the NHL or play 7 games but score at a 0.3 point per game pace I bet he says play a full season
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:52 PM ET
Seriously? Why is scoring rate not important when looking at their value as NHL depth? Because if they are not in the NHL, if other players are getting called up to the NHL instead of them then what they did in their very short time in the NHL doesn't matter. How does his scoring rate in 7 games matter when Dumont, Bournival, Peca, Point all get to play before him? If you ask him would he rather play a full season with zero points in the NHL or play 7 games but score at a 0.3 point per game pace I bet he says play a full season
- Kucherovski

Wut?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 25 @ 3:53 PM ET
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:53 PM ET
Seriously? Why is scoring rate not important when looking at their value as NHL depth? Because if they are not in the NHL, if other players are getting called up to the NHL instead of them then what they did in their very short time in the NHL doesn't matter. How does his scoring rate in 7 games matter when Dumont, Bournival, Peca, Point all get to play before him? If you ask him would he rather play a full season with zero points in the NHL or play 7 games but score at a 0.3 point per game pace I bet he says play a full season
- Kucherovski

Seems reasonable
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:54 PM ET
Wut?
- Feds91Stammer


You gotta give me more because that was not hard to understand. Ask Conacher if he would rather play a full season in the NHL with ZERO points or play 7 games and get the "pace" you keep talking about, I bet the answer is a full season which is why pace does not matter when we're talking depth guys, it is about the games they are playing in the NHL.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:56 PM ET
You gotta give me more because that was not hard to understand. Ask Conacher if he would rather play a full season in the NHL with ZERO points or play 7 games and get the "pace" you keep talking about, I bet the answer is a full season which is why pace does not matter when we're talking depth guys, it is about the games they are playing in the NHL.
- Kucherovski

No one would ever ask him that.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:58 PM ET
No one would ever ask him that.
- Mordecai


HAHA, well no of course not. Trying to prove that "pace" doesn't matter to depth guys, especially "great depth" guys that they just want to be in the show. Don't put it past Feds or J Boyd though, once Yzerman leaves one of them takes over sooooo
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