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Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 2:52 PM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=136839&page=3

Don't make poop up.

- Feds91Stammer


My bad. You said 4th line "producer", not 3rd (you nailed that one). You also quoted between 7 and 17 points not specifically 10 (you also nailed that one).
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 25 @ 2:54 PM ET
What does making a bet over the internet that won't be paid out prove?
- Feds91Stammer

Loser has to post nudes on hockeybuzz
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:56 PM ET
TO TAMPA: Oscar Sundqvist, Eric Fehr and Pouliot
TO PIT: Tyler Johnson

You guys most likely don't know anything about Sundqvist, but you want him.

- Rinosaur

Replace Fehr with a high draft pick.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:56 PM ET
My bad. You said 4th line "producer", not 3rd (you nailed that one). You also quoted between 7 and 17 points not specifically 10 (you also nailed that one).
- Kucherovski

And he has 2 points in 7 games which is a 23 point pace...
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:56 PM ET
Loser has to post nudes on hockeybuzz
- eichiefs9

I'll do that right now.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 2:58 PM ET
And he has 2 points in 7 games which is a 23 point pace...
- Feds91Stammer


You pick and choose anything you want right? He stinks, you were wrong, it's ok you're still next in line for an NHL GM job, don't worry! Hard to be a 4th line "producer" when you're not in the NHL.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 2:58 PM ET
TO TAMPA: Oscar Sundqvist, Eric Fehr and Pouliot
TO PIT: Tyler Johnson

You guys most likely don't know anything about Sundqvist, but you want him.

- Rinosaur


Change that Fehr to a 1st and its enticing. They don't want Fehr lol
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:59 PM ET
You pick and choose anything you want right? He stinks, you were wrong, it's ok you're still next in line for an NHL GM job, don't worry! Hard to be a 4th line "producer" when you're not in the NHL.
- Kucherovski

I'm wrong in what way?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:00 PM ET
You pick and choose anything you want right? He stinks, you were wrong, it's ok you're still next in line for an NHL GM job, don't worry! Hard to be a 4th line "producer" when you're not in the NHL.
- Kucherovski


What was he wrong about? His predictions were accurate as a depth signing and his point production is on par, if he was getting playing time.

EDIT: You know what a depth signing is right?
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:01 PM ET
I'm wrong in what way?
- Feds91Stammer


Wrong that he is a 4th line producer. You did not quote what pace he will be on you quoted 7-17 points. I don't care about his pace, he won't hit 7 NHL points this year playing in the AHL. So you were wrong about him being a 4th line producer and wrong about his 7-17 points.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:06 PM ET
Wrong that he is a 4th line producer. You did not quote what pace he will be on you quoted 7-17 points. I don't care about his pace, he won't hit 7 NHL points this year playing in the AHL. So you were wrong about him being a 4th line producer and wrong about his 7-17 points.
- Kucherovski


Not really. Most teams 4th liners bounce in and out of the lineup. Especially depth signings. Ignoring things like pace.. and UFA vs. RFA status... and age.. and production.. and reasonable expectations... just further proves your idiocy.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:07 PM ET
What was he wrong about? His predictions were accurate as a depth signing and his point production is on par, if he was getting playing time.

EDIT: You know what a depth signing is right?

- j.boyd919


I do yes, that also could be argued that it is wrong considering Condra has played more this year, Gabriel Dumont, Bournival. Could be said it was hardly a depth signing for the Lightning. May have been a depth signing for Syracuse but not Tampa.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:11 PM ET
Not really. Most teams 4th liners bounce in and out of the lineup. Especially depth signings. Ignoring things like pace.. and UFA vs. RFA status... and age.. and production.. and reasonable expectations... just further proves your idiocy.
- j.boyd919


Do you read this stuff first? I don't ignore reasonable expectations, I've actually pointed out it is NOT reasonable to expect 55 out of Johnson while you said yes. I've pointed out Kucherov is on a 3 year pace where he increases his points per game every year so that is reasonable expectation he would get more next year.

They bounce in and out of the lineup? What would you say Pittsburgs 4th line is? Kuntiz, Fehr, Wilson? They aren't bouncing in and out of the lineup all that often. I would say last year the Lightning used Brown, Boyle and Paquette on the 4th line, again didn't bounce in and out all that often. Boyle missed 6 games and Brown missed 5.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:16 PM ET
Wrong that he is a 4th line producer. You did not quote what pace he will be on you quoted 7-17 points. I don't care about his pace, he won't hit 7 NHL points this year playing in the AHL. So you were wrong about him being a 4th line producer and wrong about his 7-17 points.
- Kucherovski

Yes I was wrong because his pace is better than a 4th line rate.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jan 25 @ 3:17 PM ET
Change that Fehr to a 1st and its enticing. They don't want Fehr lol
- j.boyd919


Well they'd be losing a center in Johnson and need to replace their 4th line C after he gets bumped up.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:18 PM ET
Yes I was wrong because his pace is better than a 4th line rate.
- Feds91Stammer


hahah you were wrong because 4th line producers need to be in the NHL. You were wrong because almost all forwards in Syracuse have jumped him as far as "great depth". Peca, Point, Dumont, Bournival. I guess if you meant he is top 10 guys to be called up you were right!!
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
Do you read this stuff first? I don't ignore reasonable expectations, I've actually pointed out it is NOT reasonable to expect 55 out of Johnson while you said yes. I've pointed out Kucherov is on a 3 year pace where he increases his points per game every year so that is reasonable expectation he would get more next year.

They bounce in and out of the lineup? What would you say Pittsburgs 4th line is? Kuntiz, Fehr, Wilson? They aren't bouncing in and out of the lineup all that often. I would say last year the Lightning used Brown, Boyle and Paquette on the 4th line, again didn't bounce in and out all that often. Boyle missed 6 games and Brown missed 5.

- Kucherovski


Uhh... Kuhnackl, Fehr, and Sestito have all rotated on the 4th line at some point. Especially Kuhn and Fehr.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
Well they'd be losing a center in Johnson and need to replace their 4th line C after he gets bumped up.
- Rinosaur


That's what Sundqvist is for. You're not getting Johnson without a 1st.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:20 PM ET
I do yes, that also could be argued that it is wrong considering Condra has played more this year, Gabriel Dumont, Bournival. Could be said it was hardly a depth signing for the Lightning. May have been a depth signing for Syracuse but not Tampa.
- Kucherovski

Conacher 2 points in 7 games
Bournival 2 points in 17 games
Dumont 1 point in 7 games
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:20 PM ET
hahah you were wrong because 4th line producers need to be in the NHL. You were wrong because almost all forwards in Syracuse have jumped him as far as "great depth". Peca, Point, Dumont, Bournival. I guess if you meant he is top 10 guys to be called up you were right!!
- Kucherovski

Peca 2 points in 9 games
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 25 @ 3:20 PM ET
I'll do that right now.
- Feds91Stammer

Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:23 PM ET
Uhh... Kuhnackl, Fehr, and Sestito have all rotated on the 4th line at some point. Especially Kuhn and Fehr.
- j.boyd919


Fehr has played 83% of Pittsburghs games, Kuhnackl has played 53% of their games, Conacher has played 14% so his "great depth" is that of well below Kuhnackl.
Kucherovski
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.22.2015

Jan 25 @ 3:24 PM ET
Peca 2 points in 9 games
- Feds91Stammer


Ok yes cool. Peca more games, Bournival more games, Point more games, next game Dumont will have more games. Seems as though he isn't really high on the depth chart or he would be playing more games than those guys.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 25 @ 3:25 PM ET
I do yes, that also could be argued that it is wrong considering Condra has played more this year, Gabriel Dumont, Bournival. Could be said it was hardly a depth signing for the Lightning. May have been a depth signing for Syracuse but not Tampa.
- Kucherovski


So, just so we're clear here.. a depth signing, is signing a player who may not be a regular in the NHL, but would be ready for the call up if need be and not look out of place and produce in the appropriate role.. right?

So.. the thought process on singing Conacher was probably... he played well here before, and just in case the other guys in Syracuse aren't ready to go... Conacher can fill in so the guys in the AHL can get more ice time than 8 minutes a night. That.. is how GM'S view depth signings.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 25 @ 3:26 PM ET
Ok yes cool. Peca more games, Bournival more games, Point more games, next game Dumont will have more games. Seems as though he isn't really high on the depth chart or he would be playing more games than those guys.
- Kucherovski

Yes clearly Cooper is smart by playing the guys that produce less points.
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