Seen it happen so many times with my Pens after '09
- j.boyd919

Injuries do take a toll on one's hopes. Sid has had some tough seasons due to injuries but he is having a MVP season this year. I expect the Penguins are the favorites to come out of the East this SCF. Washington and Montreal will find a way to lose.

He has put up more than 50 points once in his career, who knows where this year will end but I would say it's not so "reasonable" that he will get 55.
- Kucherovski

Math says you are wrong.

195pts in 291 games played over his entire NHL career.

That is .67 points per game. Basically he has recorded a point in 2/3 of the games he's played in.

So, if you take .67 x 82 games in a season: 54.91 points is his average. That doesn't mean he'll hit 55 every time, but it's hardly an unreasonable expectation. Especially when he hit 72pts in his last fully healthy season. That may have been an exceptionally good season that he won't replicate, but it is the (nearly) last fully healthy season he had.

Math says you are wrong.

195pts in 291 games played over his entire NHL career.

That is .67 points per game. Basically he has recorded a point in 2/3 of the games he's played in.

So, if you take .67 x 82 games in a season: 54.91 points is his average. That doesn't mean he'll hit 55 every time, but it's hardly an unreasonable expectation. Especially when he hit 72pts in his last fully healthy season. That may have been an exceptionally good season that he won't replicate, but it is the (nearly) last fully healthy season he had.
- eichiefs9

He has put up more than 50 points once in his career, who knows where this year will end but I would say it's not so "reasonable" that he will get 55.

Look at the trends instead of average. Kucherov is going up, on a point per game basis, every year. Johnson has beaten 50 points once in 4 years. I think it is safe to assume Johnson will not hit 55 and Kucherov will produce more. What amount Kucherov produces more who knows but more.
- Kucherovski

He is trending towards out-scoring his pace from last season. He's also trending towards getting healthier, which is when he performed better.

Math says you are wrong.

195pts in 291 games played over his entire NHL career.

That is .67 points per game. Basically he has recorded a point in 2/3 of the games he's played in.

So, if you take .67 x 82 games in a season: 54.91 points is his average. That doesn't mean he'll hit 55 every time, but it's hardly an unreasonable expectation. Especially when he hit 72pts in his last fully healthy season. That may have been an exceptionally good season that he won't replicate, but it is the (nearly) last fully healthy season he had.
- eichiefs9

I get the math, not hard. Then maybe part of the assumption is he does not play every game as the question came across to me. Go back and look, the assumption was who replaces 55 points (math x 82 games). Maybe then make the point per game assumption times a lesser number of games played.

At the end of the day what matters more to winning and losing games, point per game or total points? Johnson could play 20 games and have 20 points that doesn't make him a stud. Total points at the end of the year is what will help the Lightning win or lose.

I get the math, not hard. Then maybe part of the assumption is he does not play every game as the question came across to me. Go back and look, the assumption was who replaces 55 points (math x 82 games). Maybe then make the point per game assumption times a lesser number of games played.
- Kucherovski

I think this debate has run it's course

I think this debate has run it's course


- eichiefs9

HAHA. I like how the assumption is made on a career point per game but then the other half of the formula is not based on history, it's based on a pipe dream and I'm the only one who is nuts. Two completed seasons he averages 75.5 games, take that against his career average if you want and it is 46 points.

HAHA. I like how the assumption is made on a career point per game but then the other half of the formula is not based on history, it's based on a pipe dream and I'm the only one who is nuts. Two completed seasons he averages 75.5 games, take that against his career average if you want and it is 46 points.
- Kucherovski

I mean, when the majority of people think you're a (frank)ing moron, and you are constantly the only person who thinks your opinion is viable...

I mean, when the majority of people think you're a (frank)ing moron, and you are constantly the only person who thinks your opinion is viable...
- j.boyd919

Yeah. Ok here is a bet. Name your price. Johnson, doesn't matter what team, does not get 55 points next year and Kucherov and Palat combine for 10 more points next year. Whatever dollar amount you want. Should be an easy bet for you since Johnson getting 55 is reasonable and expecting those two guys to get 10 more points is stupid. Money where your mouth is.

Yeah. Ok here is a bet. Name your price. Johnson, doesn't matter what team, does not get 55 points next year and Kucherov and Palat combine for 10 more points next year. Whatever dollar amount you want. Should be an easy bet for you since Johnson getting 55 is reasonable and expecting those two guys to get 10 more points is stupid. Money where your mouth is.
- Kucherovski

Kucherov and Palat combine for 10 more points than what?

Kucherov and Palat combine for 10 more points than what?
- Feds91Stammer

10 more points then Gretzky and Lemieux got their best season. More than they get this year. So the two of them combine for 10 more points next season.

10 more points then Gretzky and Lemieux got their best season. More than they get this year. So the two of them combine for 10 more points next season.
- Kucherovski

HUH? You want more exact. Drouin puts up 15 more points. Stamkos puts up 10 more points, Kucherov puts up 5 more points, Palat puts up 5 more points, Namestnikov puts up 5 more points, third line guys combine for 10 more points. That better?

I believe this was how you expected to replace their numbers. 8 players all increasing production.

HUH? You want more exact. Drouin puts up 15 more points. Stamkos puts up 10 more points, Kucherov puts up 5 more points, Palat puts up 5 more points, Namestnikov puts up 5 more points, third line guys combine for 10 more points. That better?

I believe this was how you expected to replace their numbers. 8 players all increasing production.
- j.boyd919

Yes I know that. I also said "is it a stretch to think Kucherov and Palat will combine for 10 more points" to which you responded something like, "god your franking stupid". So I am going on the fact you said it was stupid to think that....not sure that was that tough to follow or you're now dancing around it all.

Yes I know that. I also said "is it a stretch to think Kucherov and Palat will combine for 10 more points" to which you responded something like, "god your franking stupid". So I am going on the fact you said it was stupid to think that....not sure that was that tough to follow or you're now dancing around it all.
- Kucherovski

Oh I'm not dancing around anything, your entire theory is what I think is stupid. That just happened to be the most recent comment.

Oh I'm not dancing around anything, your entire theory is what I think is stupid. That just happened to be the most recent comment.
- j.boyd919

So I take it as a no you won't bet that. My theory had to go into such detail because I was asked to. I originally said it's not tough to replace Johnson and that the team can piece together the 55 points. That was not good enough so I went into more detail that, if you really think about it, is not all that wild. Stamkos will easily get 10 more points next year, Drouin (I'm not big on him) but a lot of people are so he should take another step forward and then small 5 points for others isn't a wild assumption over the course of a season.

So I take it as a no you won't bet that. My theory had to go into such detail because I was asked to. I originally said it's not tough to replace Johnson and that the team can piece together the 55 points. That was not good enough so I went into more detail that, if you really think about it, is not all that wild. Stamkos will easily get 10 more points next year, Drouin (I'm not big on him) but a lot of people are so he should take another step forward and then small 5 points for others isn't a wild assumption over the course of a season.
- Kucherovski

What does making a bet over the internet that won't be paid out prove?

What does making a bet over the internet that won't be paid out prove?
- Feds91Stammer

What does yapping and calling people "stupid" and delete your account prove? You two both seem to do that a lot, what are you proving?

What does yapping and calling people "stupid" and delete your account prove? You two both seem to do that a lot, what are you proving?
- Kucherovski

Well I've proven how incompetent you are plenty of times now.

Well I've proven how incompetent you are plenty of times now.
- Feds91Stammer

He actually proves that himself in his inability to learn.

Well I've proven how incompetent you are plenty of times now.
- Feds91Stammer

So then take the bet. Maybe nothing gets paid, maybe something gets paid. Go Conacher go!

So then take the bet. Maybe nothing gets paid, maybe something gets paid. Go Conacher go!
- Kucherovski

And what did I say about Conacher?

He actually proves that himself in his inability to learn.
- j.boyd919

You can't be serious. Do you actually believe, that the Lightning as a group, can NOT replace the production Johnson puts up next year if he leaves? Take all other factors out because he gets hurt and the players could get hurt. Is it really that unreasonable to think this team could replace 50 point Johnson with whoever they put in his spot plus production from the rest of the team?

And what did I say about Conacher?
- Feds91Stammer

Something along the lines of he was a great depth signing and you went and pulled some Tableau analysis showing third line point production talking about how he could do that, I think it was like 10 points or so. I think you also said he would play top 6 while Callahan was hurt and it was a good move.

Something along the lines of he was a great depth signing and you went and pulled some Tableau analysis showing third line point production talking about how he could do that, I think it was like 10 points or so. I think you also said he would play top 6 while Callahan was hurt and it was a good move.
- Kucherovski

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...p?thread_id=136839&page=3

Don't make poop up.

TO TAMPA: Oscar Sundqvist, Eric Fehr and Pouliot
TO PIT: Tyler Johnson

You guys most likely don't know anything about Sundqvist, but you want him.