Nobody ever said anything about the extra parts, the bonuses the RFA vs. UFA at the end. Johnson, as a hockey player on the Lightning, salary cap hit for the Lightning is not worth over $4m per year in my opinion. There are tons of other parts of a contract so if you want to be so specific go for it, I am talking straight dollar value for both players.
- Kucherovski

You're the dippoop that brought up an uncomparable contract in order to try and determine Johnson's worth. Your opinion is moronic and uneducated at best.

You're just saying things though. Point totals fluctuate, people get injured, people have down years, etc...

Case in point: The Islanders could have just said "Well historically Chimera has outscored Martin, Ladd has produced similar-or-better than Okposo, Lee/Nelson/Strome should take a step forward and make up for Nielsen's lost production." We all see how well that's gone for the Isles this year.
- eichiefs9

I have to say I am confused as to what you're getting at. So most GM's, Coaches, hockey operations people go into the season assuming their stars, Stamkos, Kucherov, Palat, etc. are going to get hurt and/or have down years? Yes that does happen but I don't think anyone ever goes into a season, the players included, expecting that to happen.

I am not a player and the Lightning, as an organization, have to deal with Salary Cap first and foremost. UFA, RFA matters to the player and maybe Yzerman but if the dollars don't fit under the cap the other stuff doesn't matter. If Kucherov is a $4.75m CAP HIT to the Lightning Johnson is not worth $4m of the Lightning salary cap in my opinion.
- Kucherovski

Dude, you just make yourself sound less intelligent every post. Quit while you're ahead and just go away.

You're the dippoop that brought up an uncomparable contract in order to try and determine Johnson's worth. Your opinion is moronic and uneducated at best.
- Feds91Stammer

Cap hit, is that easier for you to understand? Johnson is not worth a $4m cap hit to the Lightning while Kucherov is at $4.75m. I know you're on the short list for the next GM job that opens in the NHL so I will leave the FA status, bonus structure etc. to you but cap hits in my opinion on the same team can for sure be compared.

Dude, you just make yourself sound less intelligent every post. Quit while you're ahead and just go away.


- j.boyd919

Still waiting for your genius explanation on why thinking Palat and Kucherov could combine for 10 more points in one full season is a stupid thought. Take your time though

Cap hit, is that easier for you to understand? Johnson is not worth a $4m cap hit to the Lightning while Kucherov is at $4.75m. I know you're on the short list for the next GM job that opens in the NHL so I will leave the FA status, bonus structure etc. to you but cap hits in my opinion on the same team can for sure be compared.
- Kucherovski

If that is the only thing you are comparing, then you obviously suck at this whole hockey thing. Should stick to building legos.

this is a very polarized fanbase

I have to say I am confused as to what you're getting at. So most GM's, Coaches, hockey operations people go into the season assuming their stars, Stamkos, Kucherov, Palat, etc. are going to get hurt and/or have down years? Yes that does happen but I don't think anyone ever goes into a season, the players included, expecting that to happen.
- Kucherovski

Did I say anyone expects it to happen?

To simplify this for you:

Just saying that "oh well Player A needs to score 5 more points, Player B 7 more points, Player C 3 more points and PRESTO that makes up all the lost production from trading Player X....is dumb. Too many variables to say what you said and have it be any sort of valid.

Still waiting for your genius explanation on why thinking Palat and Kucherov could combine for 10 more points in one full season is a stupid thought. Take your time though
- Kucherovski

Chiefs used a real life example explaining why your theory is stupid.

Did I say anyone expects it to happen?

To simplify this for you:

Just saying that "oh well Player A needs to score 5 more points, Player B 7 more points, Player C 3 more points and PRESTO that makes up all the lost production from trading Player X....is dumb. Too many variables to say what you said and have it be any sort of valid.
- eichiefs9

Yeah, he's a moron. Visit the Lightning thread more often if you ever need a chuckle and a reminder that you're smarter than someone.

Did I say anyone expects it to happen?

To simplify this for you:

Just saying that "oh well Player A needs to score 5 more points, Player B 7 more points, Player C 3 more points and PRESTO that makes up all the lost production from trading Player X....is dumb. Too many variables to say what you said and have it be any sort of valid.
- eichiefs9

Here ya go Kucherovski (thanks chief)

Cap hit, is that easier for you to understand? Johnson is not worth a $4m cap hit to the Lightning while Kucherov is at $4.75m. I know you're on the short list for the next GM job that opens in the NHL so I will leave the FA status, bonus structure etc. to you but cap hits in my opinion on the same team can for sure be compared.
- Kucherovski

UFA years bought in Kucherov's deal = 0

Does that help?

Here ya go Kucherovski (thanks chief)
- j.boyd919

Did I say anyone expects it to happen?

To simplify this for you:

Just saying that "oh well Player A needs to score 5 more points, Player B 7 more points, Player C 3 more points and PRESTO that makes up all the lost production from trading Player X....is dumb. Too many variables to say what you said and have it be any sort of valid.
- eichiefs9

Yes of course but I was asked a very specific question. Someone made an assumption Johnson will put up 55 points next year (per game career points times 82 games) and then asked how will that be replaced. I gave a general answer knowing people get hurt, people under perform and then some people beat expectations. That was not good enough for him so I went into specifics. So everyone is ok with assuming Johnson gets exactly his career per game and plays all 82 games but we're not ok assuming other people do better? If someone makes an assumption then I thought it was ok to answer with other assumptions, yes we all know there are many variables but those variables are on both sides of the assumption not just one

Yes of course but I was asked a very specific question. Someone made an assumption Johnson will put up 55 points next year (per game career points times 82 games) and then asked how will that be replaced. I gave a general answer knowing people get hurt, people under perform and then some people beat expectations. That was not good enough for him so I went into specifics. So everyone is ok with assuming Johnson gets exactly his career per game and plays all 82 games but we're not ok assuming other people do better? If someone makes an assumption then I thought it was ok to answer with other assumptions, yes we all know there are many variables but those variables are on both sides of the assumption not just one
- Kucherovski

Assuming 1 player continues playing at a career average is much different than assuming 6 or 7 players increase their production...

Here ya go Kucherovski (thanks chief)
- j.boyd919

Yeah that for sure explains why it is "stupid" to think Palat and Kucherov could combine for 10 more points. I notice how you did not say your future GM buddy was "stupid" for saying Johnson would put up 55 points next year and we had to replace that.

this is a very polarized fanbase
- twiztedmike

Tough to go from Stanley Cup contender to last in your division. The season wasn't suppose to go this way but injuries hurt the team and poor performances didn't help.

Yeah that for sure explains why it is "stupid" to think Palat and Kucherov could combine for 10 more points. I notice how you did not say your future GM buddy was "stupid" for saying Johnson would put up 55 points next year and we had to replace that.
- Kucherovski

Go find the post where I said Johnson will undoubtedly score 55 points next season...

Yeah that for sure explains why it is "stupid" to think Palat and Kucherov could combine for 10 more points. I notice how you did not say your future GM buddy was "stupid" for saying Johnson would put up 55 points next year and we had to replace that.
- Kucherovski

because assuming a player CONTINUES CAREER AVERAGE is a reasonable EXPECTATION, unlike assuming 5 or 6 players (as stated above MORE VARIABLES) increasing their production.

Again, holy (frank) you're dumb.

Assuming 1 player continues playing at a career average is much different than assuming 6 or 7 players increase their production...
- j.boyd919

Yeah because using a career average is a VERY accurate way of predicting future. Don't look at trends or anything, just use career average and call it a day. Johnson will for sure be like he was 3 years ago but Kucherov and Palat will not get any better, they will be just average like they have been.

Tough to go from Stanley Cup contender to last in your division. The season wasn't suppose to go this way but injuries hurt the team and poor performances didn't help.
- Leafsandbolts

Seen it happen so many times with my Pens after '09

Yes of course but I was asked a very specific question. Someone made an assumption Johnson will put up 55 points next year (per game career points times 82 games) and then asked how will that be replaced. I gave a general answer knowing people get hurt, people under perform and then some people beat expectations. That was not good enough for him so I went into specifics. So everyone is ok with assuming Johnson gets exactly his career per game and plays all 82 games but we're not ok assuming other people do better? If someone makes an assumption then I thought it was ok to answer with other assumptions, yes we all know there are many variables but those variables are on both sides of the assumption not just one
- Kucherovski

Of course there are variables on both sides. The point is that their variable involves one player hitting his average point total over this year + the prior 3 seasons. Does that make it a guarantee? No, of course not.

What you said involves several players all adding to their point totals to make up for the lost production of one.

Saying Johnson will score 55pts (career average is .67ppg * 82gp = 54.94 aka 55) isn't a guarantee, but it's a reasonable expectation.

Saying that Kucherov, Palat, etc. etc... will all add X-amount of additional points is a theory that has a lot of moving parts and a far smaller probability of coming to fruition.

Go find the post where I said Johnson will undoubtedly score 55 points next season...
- Feds91Stammer

Here is your quote:

"Who replaces his 55 points? (55 points is his 82 game pace based on his career numbers)"

I guess you did not put the word undoubtedly in there. Go back and find my post where I say the players I talked about undoubtedly do something.

Of course there are variables on both sides. The point is that their variable involves one player hitting his average point total over this year + the prior 3 seasons. Does that make it a guarantee? No, of course not.

What you said involves several players all adding to their point totals to make up for the lost production of one.

Saying Johnson will score 55pts (career average is .67ppg * 82gp = 54.94 aka 55) isn't a guarantee, but it's a reasonable expectation.

Saying that Kucherov, Palat, etc. etc... will all add X-amount of additional points has a lot of moving parts and a far fewer probability of coming to fruition.
- eichiefs9

I said that already, but he doesn't get it.

Of course there are variables on both sides. The point is that their variable involves one player hitting his average point total over this year + the prior 3 seasons. Does that make it a guarantee? No, of course not.

What you said involves several players all adding to their point totals to make up for the lost production of one.

Saying Johnson will score 55pts (career average is .67ppg * 82gp = 54.94 aka 55) isn't a guarantee, but it's a reasonable expectation.

Saying that Kucherov, Palat, etc. etc... will all add X-amount of additional points is a theory that has a lot of moving parts and a far smaller probability of coming to fruition.
- eichiefs9

He has put up more than 50 points once in his career, who knows where this year will end but I would say it's not so "reasonable" that he will get 55.

Look at the trends instead of average. Kucherov is going up, on a point per game basis, every year. Johnson has beaten 50 points once in 4 years. I think it is safe to assume Johnson will not hit 55 and Kucherov will produce more. What amount Kucherov produces more who knows but more.