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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 24 @ 3:53 PM ET
I'm not sure winning the cup should necessarily be sole the deciding factor as to whether a deadline trade was good or not (a lengthly playoff run perhaps)
It's worth mentioning the:
- The 08 pens made the SCF thanks in part to Hossa
- The 14 rags also made the SCF
- The 15 rags made a run to the ECF
- For what its worth, 13 pens also made it to ECF

- DeflatedPucks


Oh, absolutely, and I'm not saying it's a bad move. But most of the time, these TDL deals are made for 2/3-month rentals, and the assets you give up to acquire one usually affect you well past the season. So it's a long-term loss for a short-term gain. The problem that I see is that teams usually go for the "name" as opposed to the "need." But really, if you're giving up top prospects/high picks for a player who is a rental, it's not worth it if you don't win the Cup, to me.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 3:53 PM ET
Subban is not top 5 except on the overrated list.
- Dcoms


Wait.. what? Care to elaborate on how he is overrated?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 24 @ 3:59 PM ET
Wait.. what? Care to elaborate on how he is overrated?
- j.boyd919


He looks funny!!!
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 24 @ 4:04 PM ET
He looks funny!!!
- jmatchett383

Racist.
mont23
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 24 @ 4:11 PM ET
Have you guys worked out the trade details and sent it to the league yet?
- YuenglingJagr


Yes. I'm faxing the details over to Bettman as we speak.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 4:16 PM ET
He looks funny!!!
- jmatchett383


That mullet at the ASG though..
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 24 @ 4:26 PM ET
Great, he'll fit right in and I dont mean that as insult to the Pens D but he's exactly what will thrive in their system. Instead of putting himself out of position with checks he'll be using a smart stick and getting pucks to forwards swiftly and precise. He really would be a lovely piece to acquire.

Do I think it will happen? No, I dont.

- MattStrat


Pray for the future of hockey people.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 24 @ 5:18 PM ET
Well obviously MAF has always been better than Bishop.
- Feds91Stammer


Apparently MAF is an average to maybe slightly above average goaltender in someone's opinion (no data was given so I can't tell either way), is Bishop just an average goal tender?

Who would be a world class goaltender just for comparison sake?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 5:32 PM ET
Well obviously MAF has always been better than Bishop.
- Feds91Stammer




Both below average goalies this season.



Just depends on if ya want the UFA or the extra term.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 24 @ 5:34 PM ET
Doubt MAF gets us Shatts, & I hope the extras the Blues will want we won't give them for any deal. I believe there could be something there only what are the Blues going to do with Alle? We don't want him in return, but we do need a tender to put up for expansion so........

We need a trade (that's if JR doesn't make a pre draft deal with Vegas about not taking Murray), that brings back a back up if Flower is leaving. Even if we go to the flames & ask for Johnson in return (not sure of his contract - HB research ), & a 2nd/3rd.

I'm not sure JR even wants to trade Flower at all at this stage - then the question is how can we keep that amount of $ on cap in net?? Does Flower now accept being #2?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 24 @ 5:35 PM ET


Both below average goalies this season.



Just depends on if ya want the UFA or the extra term.

- j.boyd919


You forgot to change alts.......
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jan 24 @ 5:38 PM ET


Both below average goalies this season.



Just depends on if ya want the UFA or the extra term.

- j.boyd919


Far more important is playoff performance. Bishop was good both years he played. MAF is all over the place, but bad years far more often than good years.
Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Jan 24 @ 5:45 PM ET
Doubt MAF gets us Shatts, & I hope the extras the Blues will want we won't give them for any deal. I believe there could be something there only what are the Blues going to do with Alle? We don't want him in return, but we do need a tender to put up for expansion so........

We need a trade (that's if JR doesn't make a pre draft deal with Vegas about not taking Murray), that brings back a back up if Flower is leaving. Even if we go to the flames & ask for Johnson in return (not sure of his contract - HB research ), & a 2nd/3rd.

I'm not sure JR even wants to trade Flower at all at this stage - then the question is how can we keep that amount of $ on cap in net?? Does Flower now accept being #2?

- Aussiepenguin


The deal I'd expect to see assuming you also get Shatty to sign extension is something like.

Pouliot, plus a 1st or 2nd, plus a throw in prospect or something
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 24 @ 5:45 PM ET


Both below average goalies this season.



Just depends on if ya want the UFA or the extra term.

- j.boyd919

Actually looking at over the past few years they are basically the same goalie


Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 24 @ 5:47 PM ET
Far more important is playoff performance. Bishop was good both years he played. MAF is all over the place, but bad years far more often than good years.
- Antilles

Until you know Bishop gets hurt and Allen goes back in and poops his pants.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 24 @ 5:50 PM ET
The deal I'd expect to see assuming you also get Shatty to sign extension is something like.

Pouliot, plus a 1st or 2nd, plus a throw in prospect or something

- Gerk

Ummm.... Where do I get to sign?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 24 @ 5:57 PM ET
Ummm.... Where do I get to sign?
- Victoro311

You have to send them Rust though.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 24 @ 5:58 PM ET
You have to send them Rust though.
- Feds91Stammer

Damn. Can I send Crosby instead?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 6:41 PM ET
Far more important is playoff performance. Bishop was good both years he played. MAF is all over the place, but bad years far more often than good years.
- Antilles


True. Can't argue that.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 24 @ 9:03 PM ET
this powerplay tonight will be the reason theyve lost.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:41 PM ET
I for one, after all that's been said around here today, can find the humour in the irony of a Blues goalie getting a shut out tonight against the Pens of all teams.

Moving on.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 24 @ 9:43 PM ET
I for one, after all that's been said today around here today, can find the humour in the irony of a Blues goalie getting a shut out tonight against the Pens of all teams.

Moving on.

- MattStrat


yeah. they really didnt play that bad.
martox
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort."
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jan 24 @ 10:48 PM ET
Pathetic! Sid sucks. Everyone keep talking about how consistent he is. (frank) that! He has had 3 0 point games in his last 7 games.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 25 @ 4:00 AM ET
Pathetic! Sid sucks. Everyone keep talking about how consistent he is. (frank) that! He has had 3 0 point games in his last 7 games.
- martox


He's resetting before he hits the home stretch to make the run!

I'm more worried about our depth scoring that went from burning hot to.....? Philbo could get a goal or 2 as well!

Great to see Dumo back in action, how did he go (& no I don't want his (frank)ing Corsi - Corsi doesn't know or understand the man had a broken jaw!)?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 25 @ 5:25 AM ET
Ummm.... Where do I get to sign?
- Victoro311


Doubt we could handle his new contract.
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