A Shattenkirk for Fluery trade might be a trade of convience for both teams. Shattenkirk will be an UFA while Fluery could provide goaltending to a team in need of it and in need of time for its goaltender to develop. The Pens would acquire a quality rental who would not damage the cap in the future, they would fix their expansion draft Fluery\Murray problem.

The Pens are trading with leverage. They are the SC Champions, and are merely augmenting a team that is contending for another Cup. They have no reason to pay a premium for Shattenkirk. Their weakness in the trade is their need to move Fluery. That's it.

St. Louis has a different problem. The team needs to salvage the current season while getting value in return for an asset with a near-term expiration date. The Blues may get better offers for Shattenkirk, and should take one of them if they do. But a Fluery for Shattenkirk trade is sensible for both teams. And, they can always trade Fluery later.

Eh. I don't think that's necessarily true. It's pretty standard to give players who can hang in the top 4 3-4 million dollar cap hits. I'd say Justin Braun and Marc-Eduard Vlasic are certainly worth their cap hits and they're not real big into the whole point scoring thing.
- Victoro311

Vlasic puts up 20+ points and had 39 last season. Dumo isn't even on the same stratosphere. Braun also puts up 20+ points.

cause it hurt us so bad. only two cups, a cup final, a conference final and a team with a lot of young studs and superstars. pens can "overpay" for rentals for 2-3 more years at least unless cros/malk/tang get career ending injuries.
- ChrisMS

Well yes it was bad after a while. The recent cup was because of a GM that has the opposite of mr rental Shero. They can choose not to overpay and not need to tank after sid is out of his prime to have a good team again.

pens conditional 2nd (1st if they reach conference finals) and MAF for Hutton and shat. Get it done !

Well yes it was bad after a while. The recent cup was because of a GM that has the opposite of mr rental Shero. They can choose not to overpay and not need to tank after sid is out of his prime to have a good team again.
- Zac_O

it wasn't bad after awhile as the team that just won the cup was a majority of sheros players and work. not to knock gmjr for his contribution but trading 1sts for rentals has not hurt us yet. No to give to much credit to the gm's though... it only hasn't hurt because we have 3 superstars. worry about sid being out of his prime a year or two before he is... so maybe 4 or 5 years from now.
and gmjr didn't have to use much in the term of rentals because of the foundation shero had in place.

Eh. I don't think that's necessarily true. It's pretty standard to give players who can hang in the top 4 3-4 million dollar cap hits. I'd say Justin Braun and Marc-Eduard Vlasic are certainly worth their cap hits and they're not real big into the whole point scoring thing.
- Victoro311

Jeff Petry (and his 6x$5.5m) agree all the way to his bank

Shatty +7.5M - MAF $5.75M - Daley $3.3M + Jarry $630K = Net savings of $920K
- Feds91Stammer

admittedly i wasnt going under the assumption theyd take something centered around MAF

Vlasic puts up 20+ points and had 39 last season. Dumo isn't even on the same stratosphere. Braun also puts up 20+ points.
- Feds91Stammer

vlasic is one of the best defenders in the league too.

Jeff Petry (and his 6x$5.5m) agree all the way to his bank
- DeflatedPucks

A guy that scored at a 25 point pace last season and already has 23 this season...

admittedly i wasnt going under the assumption theyd take something centered around MAF
- stayinthefnnet

It is what makes the most sense for STL imo.

it wasn't bad after awhile as the team that just won the cup was a majority of sheros players and work. not to knock gmjr for his contribution but trading 1sts for rentals has not hurt us yet. No to give to much credit to the gm's though... it only hasn't hurt because we have 3 superstars. worry about sid being out of his prime a year or two before he is... so maybe 4 or 5 years from now.
and gmjr didn't have to use much in the term of rentals because of the foundation shero had in place.
- ChrisMS

Kessel wasn't a Shero guy. Iginla was. Which one will bring long term success to the team? Which one was a waste of prospects and picks long term? Not a hard argument.

A Shattenkirk for Fluery trade might be a trade of convience for both teams. Shattenkirk will be an UFA while Fluery could provide goaltending to a team in need of it and in need of time for its goaltender to develop. The Pens would acquire a quality rental who would not damage the cap in the future, they would fix their expansion draft Fluery\Murray problem.

The Pens are trading with leverage. They are the SC Champions, and are merely augmenting a team that is contending for another Cup. They have no reason to pay a premium for Shattenkirk. Their weakness in the trade is their need to move Fluery. That's it.

St. Louis has a different problem. The team needs to salvage the current season while getting value in return for an asset with a near-term expiration date. The Blues may get better offers for Shattenkirk, and should take one of them if they do. But a Fluery for Shattenkirk trade is sensible for both teams. And, they can always trade Fluery later.
- szielinski

Shattenkirk is the better asset. As you said he's ufa. St. Louis could even retain to make it work for anyone. There are10 teams that would be willing to spend a 1st round pick to add a top pairing dman for the playoffs.

IMO Rutherford would trade a 1st for Shat in a heartbeat and it would be a good deal for us. Huge upgrade to our 2nd pairing for the playoffs and would solidify us as the team to beat in the playoffs.

What Rutherford won't do is a 1st + sprong. I would value Sprong as worth way more than a 1st (My guess is he would go 10-15 in this years draft).

Kessel wasn't a Shero guy. Iginla was. Which one will bring long term success to the team? Which one was a waste of prospects and picks long term? Not a hard argument.
- Zac_O

neither was a waste. a conference final isn't anything to sneeze at. and iggy didn't stop us from winning a cup last year. hossa didn't stop us from winning a cup in 09 or last year. neither has stopped us from being a contender this year. your right... not a hard argument.

also... speaking about long term success... no telling yet if the last 2-3 years of that kessel deal will be a bit painful to swallow.... that ones still in the works.

A guy that scored at a 25 point pace last season and already has 23 this season...
- Feds91Stammer

A guy that put up 98 pts in 365 career games (22/82 pace) till the age of 28 (and was 27 when he signed his deal). And now has one season where he is on pace for 40?

Looks like Dumo is back tonight.

Well yes it was bad after a while. The recent cup was because of a GM that has the opposite of mr rental Shero. They can choose not to overpay and not need to tank after sid is out of his prime to have a good team again.
- Zac_O

But Simon Despres was sacrificed in the realization of that.
#Trusttheprocess

A guy that put up 98 pts in 365 career games (22/82 pace) till the age of 28 (and was 27 when he signed his deal). And now has one season where he is on pace for 40?
- DeflatedPucks

Sometimes I'm not sure what to make of Edmonton players production pre-McDavid lol

I don't even want Sprong that bad you just have poop for prospects.
- Feds91Stammer

Everyone thought that last year too....then 4 or 5 of the pens "sh!t" prospects turned the team into a cup winner. Fact is you have no idea how any player not playing in the NHL will turn out and the same can be said for a lot of players, especially younger ones, currently playing in NHL.

Looks like Dumo is back tonight.
- madmike71

Nice...he'll obviously have rust (not Bryan) on him but maybe the prolonged rest will help him down the line.

Pretty much 0 reason for Blues to trade anything for MAF. He is a null value asset, Pittsburgh will have to buy him out after this season if no one trades for him. St. Louis isn't winning the Cup this year anyways.

First and a prospect for Shattenkirk. No need to bail out other teams with contract issues.

Sometimes I'm not sure what to make of Edmonton players production pre-McDavid lol
- j.boyd919

The castaways would agree:
Sam Gagner, Tom Gilbert, Devan Dubynk, Jeff Petry, Marincin (Tanner would have you believe), Brodziak, (perhaps Hall?)

Pretty much 0 reason for Blues to trade anything for MAF. He is a null value asset, Pittsburgh will have to buy him out after this season if no one trades for him. St. Louis isn't winning the Cup this year anyways.

First and a prospect for Shattenkirk. No need to bail out other teams with contract issues.
- Antilles

You don't think if they had better goaltending they could contend this year? (Not necessarily MAF)

Pretty much 0 reason for Blues to trade anything for MAF. He is a null value asset, Pittsburgh will have to buy him out after this season if no one trades for him. St. Louis isn't winning the Cup this year anyways.

First and a prospect for Shattenkirk. No need to bail out other teams with contract issues.
- Antilles

How so?

You don't think if they had better goaltending they could contend this year? (Not necessarily MAF)
- j.boyd919

Of course they can contend. There's been a slow shifting in power the past few years from west to east and now this year it's totally recognised. The east is stronger than the west now and it will be going forward for a few years at least. This is the weakest the west has been in quite some time. The Blues, if playing their pieces right, could make the final four again (which in itself is a big accomplishment) and make it to the final dance.