Why would Shattenkirk need to be in the trade? If they are a good fit they could move other assets for flower. Wanting Shattenkirk is just very wishful thinking. I dont want to pay the extra it'd take to get him. We dont need to go back to the Shero days of overpaying for rentals.
- Zac_O

Looking back...unless you consider Mark Recchi the top trade chip of 2006, a team rarely wins the Cup after getting the top TDL asset that year:

2007 - Forsberg to Nashville
2008 - Hossa to Pittsburgh
2009 - Guerin to Pittsburgh (arguable - Recchi to Boston)
2010 - Kovalchuk to New Jersey
2011 - Shattenkirk to St. Louis
2012 - Carter to Los Angeles
2013 - Iginla to Pittsburgh
2014 - St. Louis to New York Rags
2015 - Yandle to New York Rags
2016 - Staal to New York Rags

We are wanting to move him. Our goaltending is a complete dumpster fire. Id rather have MAF than Ben Bishop, thats for sure.
- WhatAboutBawb

Well obviously MAF has always been better than Bishop.

Green ($1.5m) retained for DP, Sprong, and a 2017 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

no chance Sprong gets moved. They love him

I wouldn't give up Sprong for a Shattenkirik rental. Love the guy, but one year of Shattenkirk isn't worth it for me. Our defense, when healthy, can win a Cup, even if it's not the GOAT. If there was some agreement in place between us and Shatty that there was a guarantee of a resign, I'd be willing to give up the assets required to get him to Pittsburgh, which would probably include a first and Sprong. Might even consider doing something involving Maatta +.

Green ($1.5m) retained for DP, Sprong, and a 2017 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

GTFO. Stop trying to get Sprong for Green. Only way we move Sprong is for something big time. We're not looking to go back to the dark ages where we have no promising prospects.

I wouldn't give up Sprong for a Shattenkirik rental. Love the guy, but one year of Shattenkirk isn't worth it for me. Our defense, when healthy, can win a Cup, even if it's not the GOAT. If there was some agreement in place between us and Shatty that there was a guarantee of a resign, I'd be willing to give up the assets required to get him to Pittsburgh, which would probably include a first and Sprong. Might even consider doing something involving Maatta +.
- Victoro311

i just cant see how he could necessarily work long term with the cap.

Flower for Bortuzzo. MAF would be going somewhere to actually play and it would give us a good bottom pairing guy to have when cole and shultz have to move up from injuries. Could also create some competition amoungst the d. well competition when maatta goes into slug mode.

GTFO. Stop trying to get Sprong for Green. Only way we move Sprong is for something big time. We're not looking to go back to the dark ages where we have no promising prospects.
- Victoro311

I don't even want Sprong that bad you just have poop for prospects.

i just cant see how he could necessarily work long term with the cap.
- stayinthefnnet

Shatty +7.5M - MAF $5.75M - Daley $3.3M + Jarry $630K = Net savings of $920K

I don't even want Sprong that bad you just have poop for prospects.
- Feds91Stammer

Thats usually what happens when youve been gunning for a cup for like 8 yrs straight. You dont get those high round picks.

I don't even want Sprong that bad you just have poop for prospects.
- Feds91Stammer

Exactly.

Looking back...unless you consider Mark Recchi the top trade chip of 2006, a team rarely wins the Cup after getting the top TDL asset that year:

2007 - Forsberg to Nashville
2008 - Hossa to Pittsburgh
2009 - Guerin to Pittsburgh (arguable - Recchi to Boston)
2010 - Kovalchuk to New Jersey
2011 - Shattenkirk to St. Louis
2012 - Carter to Los Angeles
2013 - Iginla to Pittsburgh
2014 - St. Louis to New York Rags
2015 - Yandle to New York Rags
2016 - Staal to New York Rags
- jmatchett383

I'm not sure winning the cup should necessarily be sole the deciding factor as to whether a deadline trade was good or not (a lengthly playoff run perhaps)
It's worth mentioning the:
- The 08 pens made the SCF thanks in part to Hossa
- The 14 rags also made the SCF
- The 15 rags made a run to the ECF
- For what its worth, 13 pens also made it to ECF

Thats usually what happens when youve been gunning for a cup for like 8 yrs straight. You dont get those high round picks.
- Grinder47

Yeah as a wings fan I definitely am not familiar with that concept.

Exactly.
- Victoro311

Point is Green is on par with Shattenkirk and has another year on his deal so it is a safer trade.

I wouldn't give up Sprong for a Shattenkirik rental. Love the guy, but one year of Shattenkirk isn't worth it for me. Our defense, when healthy, can win a Cup, even if it's not the GOAT. If there was some agreement in place between us and Shatty that there was a guarantee of a resign, I'd be willing to give up the assets required to get him to Pittsburgh, which would probably include a first and Sprong. Might even consider doing something involving Maatta +.
- Victoro311

This is basically the same defense that won the cup. Like you say, they can do it again....especially now that Schultz is playing great, consistent hockey. Parting with Sprong would be a major mistake IMO.

Shatty is a nice player, but he's going to the highest bidder in the off season. A deal involving Maatta would be interesting simply because it would allow us to protect Schultz.

i just cant see how he could necessarily work long term with the cap.
- stayinthefnnet

Me neither, honestly. Shattenkirk just isn't realistic. Unless he gets a raging hard on over the prospect of living in Pittsburgh next year, he's gonna command ~7 mil from a contender or 8 mil from a poop team as the first 1D to hit the open market in lord knows how long. Using Subban as the market setter here, since he all but hit the open market and got 9 mil, but he's also a top 5 defenseman in the league, which Shattenkirk is not. We can't make 7 mil on the blue line work, unless Dumo somehow only gets less than 3 mil for like four years.

Me neither, honestly. Shattenkirk just isn't realistic. Unless he gets a raging hard on over the prospect of living in Pittsburgh next year, he's gonna command ~7 mil from a contender or 8 mil from a poop team as the first 1D to hit the open market in lord knows how long. Using Subban as the market setter here, since he all but hit the open market and got 9 mil, but he's also a top 5 defenseman in the league, which Shattenkirk is not. We can't make 7 mil on the blue line work, unless Dumo somehow only gets less than 3 mil for like four years.
- Victoro311

D men that only score 15-20 points shouldn't get more than $3m per

This is basically the same defense that won the cup. Like you say, they can do it again....especially now that Schultz is playing great, consistent hockey. Parting with Sprong would be a major mistake IMO.

Shatty is a nice player, but he's going to the highest bidder in the off season. A deal involving Maatta would be interesting simply because it would allow us to protect Schultz.
- madmike71

No you still don't give up Maatta for a year of Shattenkirk rental. You give him up if Shattenkirk agrees to resign, and if that's the case, there's no room for Schultz on the team since they both play the right side and Schultz has earned a top 4 defenseman contract.

D men that only score 15-20 points shouldn't get more than $3m per
- Feds91Stammer

Who are you talking about here? Shattenkirk has been a fantastic point producer during his time in St. Louis.

Who are you talking about here? Shattenkirk has been a fantastic point producer during his time in St. Louis.
- Victoro311

Dumoulin...

Why would Shattenkirk need to be in the trade? If they are a good fit they could move other assets for flower. Wanting Shattenkirk is just very wishful thinking. I dont want to pay the extra it'd take to get him. We dont need to go back to the Shero days of overpaying for rentals.
- Zac_O

cause it hurt us so bad. only two cups, a cup final, a conference final and a team with a lot of young studs and superstars. pens can "overpay" for rentals for 2-3 more years at least unless cros/malk/tang get career ending injuries.

D men that only score 15-20 points shouldn't get more than $3m per
- Feds91Stammer

Jonathan Ericsson disagrees

Dumoulin...
- Feds91Stammer

Eh. I don't think that's necessarily true. It's pretty standard to give players who can hang in the top 4 3-4 million dollar cap hits. I'd say Justin Braun and Marc-Eduard Vlasic are certainly worth their cap hits and they're not real big into the whole point scoring thing.

No you still don't give up Maatta for a year of Shattenkirk rental. You give him up if Shattenkirk agrees to resign, and if that's the case, there's no room for Schultz on the team since they both play the right side and Schultz has earned a top 4 defenseman contract.
- Victoro311

I'm not talking about Shattenkirk. I'm talking about other deals. No way should we give up assets for UFA's....that ship has sailed. The way I see it, I'm not sure we need to make any moves barring major injuries.

Jonathan Ericsson disagrees
- DeflatedPucks

exactly my point