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Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 6:07 PM ET
Yup, and the US supposedly underwent a separation of church and state a while ago, so allowing religious dogma to dictate policy is absolutely ludicrous.
- lumlums


I'm with you entirely on this.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 22 @ 6:20 PM ET
I'm with you entirely on this.
- Thecakeisalie




Now, if there is a policy that is based in religion but applicable and relevant, then sure - go for it. I do however find it somewhat funny that many of the religious right wing folks who are so vehemently pro-life are equally passionate about keeping the death penalty
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 6:25 PM ET


Now, if there is a policy that is based in religion but applicable and relevant, then sure - go for it. I do however find it somewhat funny that many of the religious right wing folks who are so vehemently pro-life are equally passionate about keeping the death penalty

- lumlums


Perhaps it brings back fond memories (imaginary or ancestral?) of the good ole days of the witch trials. If the person isn't a murderer, then they'll survive the electricity or lethal injection....Oh wait, that's not right... nevermind.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 22 @ 6:27 PM ET
Perhaps it brings back fond memories (imaginary or ancestral?) of the good ole days of the witch trials. If the person isn't a murderer, then they'll survive the electricity or lethal injection....Oh wait, that's not right... nevermind.
- Thecakeisalie

lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 22 @ 6:29 PM ET
https://twitter.com/metas...status/823022805537226752

Yikes726
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jan 22 @ 7:43 PM ET
And we all lost.

Not everybody realizes it yet - but they will.

- lumlums



Or not
bondraovie
Washington Capitals
Location: baltimore, MD
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jan 22 @ 7:52 PM ET
Good point. Still, you're better off losing a draw than having Beagle on the ice in 3v3, in my opinion.
- James_Tanner

Beagle having terrific year and along with Eller Caps best defensive forward and penalty killer.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 22 @ 8:02 PM ET
You have ranted before about people being unable to consider alternative opinions that differentiate from their own views. Something along the lines of people only surrounding themselves with others that share similar views and dismissing anything that doesn't share that view...Sound familiar?

Now you are saying you're going to ignore the facts that suggest the "Trump showergate story is false" and choose to believe it simply because it matches what you believe to be his character. You are dismissing any evidence you aren't predisposed to agree with. Rather hypocritical.

- Thecakeisalie


I disagree with you here fundamentally. I am 100% open to new ideas and to hearing people argue against mine. That said, I do not have to be open to all ideas, or bad ideas. I make active attempts to avoid being in a bubble.

While there are facts that cast the Trump Document as possibly fraudulent - for example this is information that is subjective and given through multiple people, and we don't know who these people are. It is also from a private security firm and not government agents. However, there are also facts that cast it as possibly believable - for example Trump's behavior, his history of sexual rumours, allegations and on video admissions. Also, the agent who compiled it is widely respected and the agencies felt the need to brief the President on it.

It could be true, could be false. My opinion is that it's likely true - I mean, it would be so easy to smear Trump without saying some of those things - but I don't know. When I claim something IS true, as opposing to THINKING it might be, there is a huge difference.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 22 @ 8:03 PM ET
By the way Tanner, congratulations on the Capitals blogger position.

I may not see eye to eye with you all the time, but this doesn't mean I actually dislike you or anything. Even though many of the posters argue with you, one thing you are good at is generating conversation and hits, so nice job.

- Thecakeisalie


Hey thanks man. I appreciate your taking the time to argue. In case it hasn't been made explicitly clear, I have no desire to talk to people who just agree with me all the time.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 22 @ 8:04 PM ET
Beagle having terrific year and along with Eller Caps best defensive forward and penalty killer.
- bondraovie


Fair enough. I just want speed and talent on the 3v3.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jan 22 @ 8:31 PM ET
I disagree with you here fundamentally. I am 100% open to new ideas and to hearing people argue against mine. That said, I do not have to be open to all ideas, or bad ideas. I make active attempts to avoid being in a bubble.

While there are facts that cast the Trump Document as possibly fraudulent - for example this is information that is subjective and given through multiple people, and we don't know who these people are. It is also from a private security firm and not government agents. However, there are also facts that cast it as possibly believable - for example Trump's behavior, his history of sexual rumours, allegations and on video admissions. Also, the agent who compiled it is widely respected and the agencies felt the need to brief the President on it.

It could be true, could be false. My opinion is that it's likely true - I mean, it would be so easy to smear Trump without saying some of those things - but I don't know. When I claim something IS true, as opposing to THINKING it might be, there is a huge difference.

- James_Tanner


Just an FYI you come off as belligerently intolerant and closed minded
bondraovie
Washington Capitals
Location: baltimore, MD
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jan 22 @ 8:31 PM ET
Fair enough. I just want speed and talent on the 3v3.
- James_Tanner

Oddly the Caps have been awful 4 on 4 lately where they do play the high end talent
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 8:37 PM ET
I disagree with you here fundamentally. I am 100% open to new ideas and to hearing people argue against mine. That said, I do not have to be open to all ideas, or bad ideas. I make active attempts to avoid being in a bubble.

While there are facts that cast the Trump Document as possibly fraudulent - for example this is information that is subjective and given through multiple people, and we don't know who these people are. It is also from a private security firm and not government agents. However, there are also facts that cast it as possibly believable - for example Trump's behavior, his history of sexual rumours, allegations and on video admissions. Also, the agent who compiled it is widely respected and the agencies felt the need to brief the President on it.

It could be true, could be false. My opinion is that it's likely true - I mean, it would be so easy to smear Trump without saying some of those things - but I don't know. When I claim something IS true, as opposing to THINKING it might be, there is a huge difference.

- James_Tanner


I guess I just get the impression you made up your mind to believe the story before actually researching it at all. This is a biased and non logical way of thinking and seems to go against what you normally preach.

Also the last thing I'm going to say about this is this: One writer said basically that in their own experience "there is no source of whom you need to be more skeptical, and whose information you need to verify to the letter before you can even begin to think of publishing it, than an “intelligence” source."

Just because this story was generated by a former British agent that now has his own investigative firm does not actually give it much credibility. It was pointed out that these companies are hired to find dirt on someone and they basically send any rumors, or even conjecture they come up with themselves, to their employers. Bear in mind that this investigative team has an agenda and a bias because they were being paid by Trump's opponents to find information they could use against him (I doubt there were any nice stories sent such as him being nice to old people or children).
This doesn't necessarily make what they said false, but it does mean that without further evidence you shouldn't simply take it as truth.

Perhaps the writer that made the article I'm quoting had their own agenda, but I feel that what they've written makes a lot of sense.

P.S. I may have slipped a Happy Gilmour reference in here. Edit: Damn. Different golf movie - it was Tin cup!
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 22 @ 8:56 PM ET
I guess I just get the impression you made up your mind to believe the story before actually researching it at all. This is a biased and non logical way of thinking and seems to go against what you normally preach.

Also the last thing I'm going to say about this is this: One writer said basically that in their own experience "there is no source of whom you need to be more skeptical, and whose information you need to verify to the letter before you can even begin to think of publishing it, than an “intelligence” source."

Just because this story was generated by a former British agent that now has his own investigative firm does not actually give it much credibility. It was pointed out that these companies are hired to find dirt on someone and they basically send any rumors, or even conjecture they come up with themselves, to their employers. Bear in mind that this investigative team has an agenda and a bias because they were being paid by Trump's opponents to find information they could use against him (I doubt there were any nice stories sent such as him being nice to old people or children).
This doesn't necessarily make what they said false, but it does mean that without further evidence you shouldn't simply take it as truth.

Perhaps the writer that made the article I'm quoting had their own agenda, but I feel that what they've written makes a lot of sense.

P.S. I may have slipped a Happy Gilmour reference in here.

- Thecakeisalie


If the guy didn't spend five years racistly telling people Obama was not American, then maybe I'd be predisposed to doubt the veracity of anything this hilarious.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 22 @ 8:57 PM ET
Just an FYI you come off as belligerently intolerant and closed minded to stupidity. Respect.
- DoubleDown

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 22 @ 9:07 PM ET
Did one of them happen to be this movie?




The whole thing I was like where the (frank) is Bruce Willis!?

It looks like he's in the whole thing, but I think that's 90% of his screen time in the trailer.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 9:24 PM ET
If the guy didn't spend five years racistly telling people Obama was not American, then maybe I'd be predisposed to doubt the veracity of anything this hilarious.
- James_Tanner


Oh well. I agree it's a funny story.

On another note, did you see the Jimmy Kimmel show the other day when he covered the inauguration ceremony? I loved the part where Bush was trying and failing to cover himself with a rain poncho. Just hilarious.



Apparently Trump's speech was so bad it looks like Bush was trying to suffocate himself in the last two frames.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 22 @ 9:29 PM ET
Oh well. I agree it's a funny story.

On another note, did you see the Jimmy Kimmel show the other day when he covered the inauguration ceremony? I loved the part where Bush was trying and failing to cover himself with a rain poncho. Just hilarious.



Apparently Trump's speech was so bad it looks like Bush was trying to suffocate himself in the last two frames.

- Thecakeisalie


I think Cheney is hard in the last one watching the life seep out of W.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 9:40 PM ET
I think Cheney is hard in the last one watching the life seep out of W.
- Wetbandit1


Cheney... So smug for bringing his cowboy hat with its huge brim to help keep the rain off.

I love the contrast between Bush being so hilarious fumbling with the poncho and Obama that has that long suffering look on his face like he is just counting down the seconds until he can get the (frank) out of there.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jan 22 @ 10:00 PM ET
How is saying Obama is from Kenya racist ? Anyone ?
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jan 22 @ 10:05 PM ET
How is saying Obama is from Kenya racist ? Anyone ?
- rinaldo



Because he isn't...
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 22 @ 10:12 PM ET
How is saying Obama is from Kenya racist ? Anyone ?
- rinaldo


Perhaps it's not racist entirely...More like just inaccurate. Obama was born in Hawaii. His father was from Kenya. It would be like someone saying Trump was from Germany just because some of his ancestors were.

I think there was more to this than just Trump saying Obama was Kenyan though.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jan 22 @ 10:22 PM ET
Perhaps it's not racist entirely...More like just inaccurate. Obama was born in Hawaii. His father was from Kenya. It would be like someone saying Trump was from Germany just because some of his ancestors were.

I think there was more to this than just Trump saying Obama was Kenyan though.

- Thecakeisalie

Inaccurate yes
Racist no
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jan 22 @ 10:28 PM ET
Inaccurate yes
Racist no

- rinaldo



Saying it once is "inaccurate."

Saying it for five years...



rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jan 22 @ 10:32 PM ET
Saying it once is "inaccurate."

Saying it for five years...




- Steven_Seagull

Again how is it racist?
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