Schweiny bringing the truth in the name of our lord and saviour Larsson (praise be unto him).
- MaximumBone

I only ever hope to do my best in his service.

It could be, but also won't be as much of an issue as long as he doesn't retire (though but most of that is on Nashville).


- lumlums

That age 40 recapture.

That age 40 recapture.
- Mr.Bobby

According to Spicer it's actually 50 million.

Please don't dignify Pocklingtons actions by calling it a "trade".

Weber and Subban were moved for each other. Both franchise dmen. Massive difference.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

If they were swapped for each other, my guess is they weren't willing to deal a franchise defender for a winger.
Each player clearly has some traits the other gm wanted.


But after a cornerstone d for cornerstone d trade occurs, I don't see how anyone can say we shoulda got it done with our winger asset

That age 40 recapture.
- Mr.Bobby

Holy (frank)...

I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was that bad.

According to Spicer it's actually 50 million.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Bigliest recapture ever.

If they were swapped for each other, my guess is they weren't willing to deal a franchise defender for a winger.
Each player clearly has some traits the other gm wanted.


But after a cornerstone d for cornerstone d trade occurs, I don't see how anyone can say we shoulda got it done with our winger asset
- HB77

Even Hall and our 1st wouldn't have done it, as said cornerstone dman immediately makes the other team a lot better and ruins the value of that 1st.

Of course, if we had traded our next three 1sts we might have gotten Kessel...

Drafted 4th overall and many pegged him to possibly go 1st. 24 years old. Not sure what you qualify as blue chip.
Seguin was screwing around too much in Boston and was way down their depth chart. That whole scenario is well visited and Chia was in a tough position. No one wants to give up on a young hypertalented C but something had to give. The return wasn't horrible but like I said, he was in a tough position on that one.

Bad teams always trade from a position of weakness. He could talked about Halls numbers till he was blue in the face and the response would always be, "If he's so great then why does your team stink so much?"

Patience isn't really an option for a decade long lottery team. Had he waited longer, who do you suppose would have popped up? Montreal was only willing to part ways with Subban for Shea freakin Weber. Top tier dmen just don't really get traded or make it to UFA, and if they are available at all, their team demands a kings ransom for them and will get it. Please don't mention Pronger either, as there were some highly extenuating circumstances around that and Lowe is an idiot.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Draft position sadly means nothing when there has been years of evidence of play to supercede it - Larsson is what he is; a solid, defense-first guy who fits in well on the second pairing. That he was a 4th overall should mean nothing more at this point, just as Luke Schenn being a 5th overall and Jack Johnson being a 3rd overall means nothing now.

As for the Subban for Weber trade, there's no way of knowing that this was the *only* trade that either would have done. It just so happened to be a trade that checked enough boxes for each team.

According to Spicer it's actually 50 million.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Holy (frank)...

I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was that bad.
- Wildschwein

That's why I wasn't all in a tizzy when Kovy split. Had he of played the first 6-7 years of that contract then split for Russia the Devils would have been on the hook for a 10 plus million hit for a decade.

Some of those pre CBA contracts could be painful - Hossa, Zetterberg, Weber.

But of course the loophole now is to call them injured and trade them to Arizona.

Holy (frank)...

I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was that bad.
- Wildschwein

It's (frank)ing awful

Bigliest recapture ever.
- Mr.Bobby

It's a beautiful recapture, it's a great recapture. It will be the yugest and most beautiful recapture ever. It will make recaptures great again.

Even Hall and our 1st wouldn't have done it, as said cornerstone dman immediately makes the other team a lot better and ruins the value of that 1st.

Of course, if we had traded our next three 1sts we might have gotten Kessel...
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I just think people wanna put the hall/Larsson deal in a vacuum and dismiss the myriad of factors that were also at play. And by that metric, it's a clear loss.
I know a few things;

Shero wasn't gonna do ebs/nuge.
We were absolute desperate for defence.
No way we could risk another season of failure by doing the same thing as before.
Looch was in the wings once the cap/ lw spot



The rest is conjecture

Please don't dignify Pocklingtons actions by calling it a "trade".

Weber and Subban were moved for each other. Both franchise dmen. Massive difference.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

True

Man, we had some (frank)ing terrible ownership over the years (Ballard ) but how that happened without riots across the city for years I have no idea

Draft position sadly means nothing when there has been years of evidence of play to supercede it - Larsson is what he is; a solid, defense-first guy who fits in well on the second pairing. That he was a 4th overall should mean nothing more at this point, just as Luke Schenn being a 5th overall and Jack Johnson being a 3rd overall means nothing now.

As for the Subban for Weber trade, there's no way of knowing that this was the *only* trade that either would have done. It just so happened to be a trade that checked enough boxes for each team.
- lumlums

Schenn and Johnson are both a fair bit older than Larsson, so with all due respect we don't exactly what we have. The assertion of him being a defence first guy is no revelation of development, as that's what he was always projected as. To say he's a 2nd pairing lifer is stretching. A lot.

That's why I wasn't all in a tizzy when Kovy split. Had he of played the first 6-7 years of that contract then split for Russia the Devils would have been on the hook for a 10 plus million hit for a decade.

Some of those pre CBA contracts could be painful - Hossa, Zetterberg, Weber.

But of course the loophole now is to call them injured and trade them to Arizona.
- Mr.Bobby

Thereby justifying their existence at last.

Of course they did - that's what GMs do. Believing that that was the *only* deal that they would have done is naive. A GMs job is to make the team better - and to believe that there's only one deal in the world that can do that is laughable.
- lumlums

They were rumoured to be asking Draisaitl, Nurse, 3rd overall, + another asset or Klefbom + Hall. Maybe we should've ponied up ine of those trades for a 9 million a year player that fights his own teammates?

Mact gotten ridden out of a job for said patience.
Chia waited a full season.
We had been bottom feeding for 7 years. On the cusp of all out rebuild failure.

Patience was no longer an option
- HB77

Don't confuse patience with inaction. MacT was guilty of the latter, not the former.

If you want to make something happen, there's always chances to make it happen. The issue seemed more of him wanting to hit a home-run, rather than being willing to make several smaller deals to inch towards where you wanted to be.

I just think people wanna put the hall/Larsson deal in a vacuum and dismiss the myriad of factors that were also at play. And by that metric, it's a clear loss.
- HB77

If you compare scoring numbers sure. If you examine it from a perspective of Halls lost offence vs. Larssons defensive protection and GA prevention, the entire metric changes. Lowetide or someone put up the comparison not long ago and it was stunning. He included Halls giveaway/takeaway leading to GA in the comparison and it became even more horrifying.

Like I said, people stare at the bright headlights of this trade rather than looking under the hood.

Schenn and Johnson are both a fair bit older than Larsson, so with all due respect we don't exactly what we have. The assertion of him being a defence first guy is no revelation of development, as that's what he was always projected as. To say he's a 2nd pairing lifer is stretching. A lot.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

They are, but both were traded at a relatively similar age to Larsson.

As for him improving to the first line, honestly, most guys are at that point by age 24 if they're truly suited for their role. If not, and they end up there out of depth issues, that's usually on teams that have issues contending.

They were rumoured to be asking Draisaitl, Nurse, 3rd overall, + another asset or Klefbom + Hall. Maybe we should've ponied up ine of those trades for a 9 million a year player that fights his own teammates?
- Ihatebrianburke

They were rumoured to be asking Draisaitl, Nurse, 3rd overall, + another asset or Klefbom + Hall. Maybe we should've ponied up ine of those trades for a 9 million a year player that fights his own teammates?
- Ihatebrianburke

They can ask whatever they want. In fact, if they don't, they're not doing their job.

Doesn't mean that that is what the trade looks like when it's signed.

They are, but both were traded at a relatively similar age to Larsson.

As for him improving to the first line, honestly, most guys are at that point by age 24 if they're truly suited for their role. If not, and they end up there out of depth issues, that's usually on teams that have issues contending.
- lumlums

The thing you're missing is that there isn't really a 1 and 2 tandem in Edmonton. The top 4 play relatively equal minutes, because the guys they're projecting as the future top pairings are all still too young and therefore play a lot of time on pairings with Sekera and Russel. Thank God for Mclellan because previous coaches would been playing them 25+ and destroying them.

Don't confuse patience with inaction. MacT was guilty of the latter, not the former.

If you want to make something happen, there's always chances to make it happen. The issue seemed more of him wanting to hit a home-run, rather than being willing to make several smaller deals to inch towards where you wanted to be.
- lumlums

Ya says you. I'm sure MacT just sat there and didn't even make inquiries for a dman for a year and a half.

They can ask whatever they want. In fact, if they don't, they're not doing their job.

Doesn't mean that that is what the trade looks like when it's signed.
- lumlums

Tell me, would you have been willing to trade Morgan Reilly for Taylor Hall?