Who cares what he thinks? He's clearly borderline, and probably licking a window somewhere as we speak.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Nah I like Iggy, I have always got along good with him so I have nothing bad to say about the guy. I just think his opinion on the Larsson and Hall trade is not correct.

Make a shirtless one of McDavid, Gretzky or Larsson for Duran
- laughs2907

Not sure who that is

Nah I like Iggy, I have always got along good with him so I have nothing bad to say about the guy. I just think his opinion on the Larsson and Hall trade is not correct.
- StoopGuts

He also said that without Mcdavid Edmonton is a last place team. He's wrong about a lot.

Nah I like Iggy, I have always got along good with him so I have nothing bad to say about the guy. I just think his opinion on the Larsson and Hall trade is not correct.
- StoopGuts

Nah, Iggy has it right. Obviously - and for a variety of reasons - Edmonton are currently a better team than last year... but could have been even better if you'd have paid a more reasonable price for Larsson and kept Hall.

Yours is great. I don't think it gets much better.
- abware

Thanks... Could use more nipple though. My Photoshopping skills are limited in those areas

Nah, Iggy has it right. Obviously - and for a variety of reasons - Edmonton are currently a better team than last year... but could have been even better if you'd have paid a more reasonable price for Larsson and kept Hall.
- lumlums

No he's not correct. Larsson gives us badly needed blueline depth. Hall is what he is: he scores goals and not much else. In hockey a solidifying blueliner with size, fantastic defensive acumen and a meanstreak trumps a one-dimensional winger 10 times out of 10. People need to stop examining this trade from the perspective of Halls draft status and a few gaudy numbers.

He also said that without Mcdavid Edmonton is a last place team. He's wrong about a lot.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Without mcDavid Edmonton is pretty God awful. You think we're anywhere near the playoffs the way Nuge and Ebs struggle to score this year?

No he's not correct. Larsson gives us badly needed blueline depth. Hall is what he is: he scores goals and not much else. In hockey a solidifying blueliner with size, fantastic defensive acumen and a meanstreak trumps a one-dimensional winger 10 times out of 10. People need to stop examining this trade from the perspective of Halls draft status and a few gaudy numbers.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Hall is, both in production and skill, one of the top LW in the game. Trading that for dlueline "depth" is ridiculous (Larsson is 4th in TOI for the Oilers). Now, Larsson brings a much needed element to the defense, but should have come at a more reasonable cost. If I want a six-pack of beer, I don't hand over a $100 to make it happen.

Is it the Years of futility that makes you guys argue relentlessly about why you are now good instead of just enjoying it?

Asking for a friend whose team probably isn't going to be good anytime soon.

Hall is, both in production and skill, one of the top LW in the game. Trading that for dlueline "depth" is ridiculous (Larsson is 4th in TOI for the Oilers). Now, Larsson brings a much needed element to the defense, but should have come at a more reasonable cost. If I want a six-pack of beer, I don't hand over a $100 to make it happen.
- lumlums

Xenophobe. Always assuming foreigners will do more for less.

Xenophobe. Always assuming foreigners will do more for less.
- Mr.Bobby

Don't forget that I am one of those dastardly foreigners who have come for your jobs

Don't forget that I am one of those dastardly foreigners who have come for your jobs
- lumlums

you have to go back.

you have to go back.
- Mr.Bobby

Well, luckily I'm not really in a position to be taking a job from the average Joe... well, they can try their hand at what I do if they want, but they better be prepared to deal with a fire/explosion

Is it the Years of futility that makes you guys argue relentlessly about why you are now good instead of just enjoying it?

Asking for a friend whose team probably isn't going to be good anytime soon.
- Mr.Bobby

I will defend my Lord of Larsson till my dying breathe! A pox on all unbelievers and heretics!

Well, luckily I'm not really in a position to be taking a job from the average Joe... well, they can try their hand at what I do if they want, but they better be prepared to deal with a fire/explosion
- lumlums

This is America, nothing we enjoy more than dangerously blowing things up, except maybe fast food.

Hall is, both in production and skill, one of the top LW in the game. Trading that for dlueline "depth" is ridiculous (Larsson is 4th in TOI for the Oilers). Now, Larsson brings a much needed element to the defense, but should have come at a more reasonable cost. If I want a six-pack of beer, I don't hand over a $100 to make it happen.
- lumlums

Edmonton was trading from the worst position of weakness in the league. Do you think that NJ would have taken Eberle of even Nuge for their best blue-chip young dman? Or that Arizona would have handed over OEL? I certainly dont and neither should you. They needed blueline strength for now and the future and they got it. Sure, Sekera and Russell are outminuting him, barely. That's what the vets are supposed to do. In terms of his added defensive play vs. the loss of Halls production, it isn't even close. You're still being guilty of examining this trade via bright shiny lights and not cold hard facts.

Edmonton was trading from the worst position of weakness in the league. Do you think that NJ would have taken Eberle of even Nuge for their best blue-chip young dman? Or that Arizona would have handed over OEL? I certainly dont and neither should you. They needed blueline strength for now and the future and they got it. Sure, Sekera and Russell are outminuting him, barely. That's what the vets are supposed to do. In terms of his added defensive play vs. the loss of Halls production, it isn't even close. You're still being guilty of examining this trade via bright shiny lights and not cold hard facts.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Agreed. This has already been put to rest. For Shero it was Hall for Larsson or no deal.

Agreed. This has already been put to rest. For Shero it was Hall for Larsson or no deal.
- Mr.Bobby

I wish you were right Mr Bobby.

Edmonton was trading from the worst position of weakness in the league. Do you think that NJ would have taken Eberle of even Nuge for their best blue-chip young dman? Or that Arizona would have handed over OEL? I certainly dont and neither should you. They needed blueline strength for now and the future and they got it. Sure, Sekera and Russell are outminuting him, barely. That's what the vets are supposed to do. In terms of his added defensive play vs. the loss of Halls production, it isn't even close. You're still being guilty of examining this trade via bright shiny lights and not cold hard facts.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Your reasoning is solid, but your classification of Larsson as "blue chip" is way off. He's a good second pairing defensive guy, and due to a previous lack of depth in Edmonton, you are improved accordingly.

Also, your statement that NJ would have not taken Nuge or Ebs is nothing more than speculation, as we have no idea what went on in those phone calls. We do have evidence of Chia in a call with Dallas on the Seguin trade, and it doesn't look like he's particularly astute when it comes to negotiating, especially if the decision has been made to move that player (which may have happened with Hall). Hall is a player who would have drawn interest from most GMs in the league, and so I don't understand your statement of "position of weakness" - the point is to improve your team, and sometimes that takes a little bit of patience, something that would appear to be lacking here.

Your reasoning is solid, but your classification of Larsson as "blue chip" is way off. He's a good second pairing defensive guy, and due to a previous lack of depth in Edmonton, you are improved accordingly.

Also, your statement that NJ would have not taken Nuge or Ebs is nothing more than speculation, as we have no idea what went on in those phone calls. We do have evidence of Chia in a call with Dallas on the Seguin trade, and it doesn't look like he's particularly astute when it comes to negotiating, especially if the decision has been made to move that player (which may have happened with Hall). Hall is a player who would have drawn interest from most GMs in the league, and so I don't understand your statement of "position of weakness" - the point is to improve your team, and sometimes that takes a little bit of patience, something that would appear to be lacking here.
- lumlums

There have been multiple sources saying there was no deal other than Hall for Larsson.

I would have defecated on the front steps of Pru Center if they traded Larsson for Eberle.

Is it the Years of futility that makes you guys argue relentlessly about why you are now good instead of just enjoying it?

Asking for a friend whose team probably isn't going to be good anytime soon.
- Mr.Bobby

Good post

There have been multiple sources saying there was no deal other than Hall for Larsson.

I would have defecated on the front steps of Pru Center if they traded Larsson for Eberle.
- Mr.Bobby

And I would have posted your bail for such a just act.

Hall is, both in production and skill, one of the top LW in the game. Trading that for dlueline "depth" is ridiculous (Larsson is 4th in TOI for the Oilers). Now, Larsson brings a much needed element to the defense, but should have come at a more reasonable cost. If I want a six-pack of beer, I don't hand over a $100 to make it happen.
- lumlums

I honestly think we have not yet seen what Larsson will become, he will get better for sure. This is his first season under TMac and as he gets more comfortable, he will improve

There have been multiple sources saying there was no deal other than Hall for Larsson.

I would have defecated on the front steps of Pru Center if they traded Larsson for Eberle.
- Mr.Bobby

From where? (And are they reliable?)

And really, the Ebs for Larsson Value would have been much fairer value - unless you're placing too much value in Larsson's draft position rather than facts, of course

Your reasoning is solid, but your classification of Larsson as "blue chip" is way off. He's a good second pairing defensive guy, and due to a previous lack of depth in Edmonton, you are improved accordingly.

Also, your statement that NJ would have not taken Nuge or Ebs is nothing more than speculation, as we have no idea what went on in those phone calls. We do have evidence of Chia in a call with Dallas on the Seguin trade, and it doesn't look like he's particularly astute when it comes to negotiating, especially if the decision has been made to move that player (which may have happened with Hall). Hall is a player who would have drawn interest from most GMs in the league, and so I don't understand your statement of "position of weakness" - the point is to improve your team, and sometimes that takes a little bit of patience, something that would appear to be lacking here.
- lumlums

I listened to the interview with shero right after .
I'm too lazy, but it's prob pretty easy to find.

He had no interest in the other two for Larsson


As far as the hall speculation, one has to assume he didn't make just one call


It's a loss in value. That much can't be debated.
Still bugs me abit.

But I think we're better with looch and Larsson than just hall.
(Dealing halls cap paved the way for looch

But your post is far from unreasonable