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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 20 @ 1:23 PM ET
The article doesn't make sense.
- Hextall271

It's a throw away based solely on opinion. The undercurrent of Flyers talking heads on the internet have been espousing this for more than a month.

While I think personally that the coaching staff has reeled Ghost in this year and are hamstringing his best attributes, I wouldn't post an article about it because I don't have any more facts than my opinion and it would be stupid to put something like that up if I was even attempting to be a pro writer. This guy doesn't care apparently.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 20 @ 1:25 PM ET
You know, the coach was once somebody's baby.

Stop kicking babies.

- jmatchett383

Somebody should have yanked the stick out of his butt way back then.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 20 @ 1:26 PM ET
Okay, just gonna say this once:

Everyone, just cut it out now. I don't care if talk strays away from hockey/The Flyers, but any President Trump is going to turn this place into even more of a tire fire than usual. I'm not a mod, so I don't have power, but please people, do not start flaming back and forth based on your approval/disapproval of Trump. Please.

- jmatchett383


Thank you! I have experienced far too much of this poop at work today. Apparently I have a red sign that says, "Talk politics to this guy" today.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:26 PM ET
It's a throw away based solely on opinion. The undercurrent of Flyers talking heads on the internet have been espousing this for more than a month.

While I think personally that the coaching staff has reeled Ghost in this year and are hamstringing his best attributes, I wouldn't post an article about it because I don't have any more facts than my opinion and it would be stupid to put something like that up if I was even attempting to be a pro writer. This guy doesn't care apparently.

- mayorofangrytown

It is wildly clear that Ghost's scratching has been based on results and not the process from an offensive standpoint. The defense has been just as much of a mess as everyone else. I just skimmed the article, but it seemed to suggest that being scratched made his offense tank when it is blatantly clear that isn't the case
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 20 @ 1:28 PM ET
It is wildly clear that Ghost's scratching has been based on results and not the process from an offensive standpoint. The defense has been just as much of a mess as everyone else. I just skimmed the article, but it seemed to suggest that being scratched made his offense tank when it is blatantly clear that isn't the case
- YuenglingJagr


Yeah I'm assuming the author hasn't been watching any games for the past several weeks where our whole team has sucked and can't score.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:30 PM ET
Okay, just gonna say this once:

Everyone, just cut it out now. I don't care if talk strays away from hockey/The Flyers, but any President Trump is going to turn this place into even more of a tire fire than usual. I'm not a mod, so I don't have power, but please people, do not start flaming back and forth based on your approval/disapproval of Trump. Please.

- jmatchett383


Agreed! This is no place for that kind of stuff here.

Keep it to what we know, Flyers fan suffering and needing a support group!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:31 PM ET
It doesn't here are the facts on ghost

http://sonsofpenn.com/fly...homore-slump-bounce-back/

- Konalover


Haha come on man have you watched the kid play this year. Clearly not the same, almost always getting lost in coverage.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 20 @ 1:32 PM ET
Trump quoting Bane is too funny.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 20 @ 1:32 PM ET
LMAO. The author is an idiot.
- MJL



I second that opinion....wow, that was comical.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:33 PM ET
It is wildly clear that Ghost's scratching has been based on results and not the process from an offensive standpoint. The defense has been just as much of a mess as everyone else. I just skimmed the article, but it seemed to suggest that being scratched made his offense tank when it is blatantly clear that isn't the case
- YuenglingJagr


His offense has struggled due to shooting % of 3 when it was 9 last year.


YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:34 PM ET
His offense has struggled due to shooting % of 4 when it was 11 last year.
- Konalover

the result...not the process
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:38 PM ET
Haha come on man have you watched the kid play this year. Clearly not the same, almost always getting lost in coverage.
- ClaudeFather


I have seen him strapped with many a D partner that are turnstiles.

Think he was making similar mistakes last year but all of the offense obscured the view of bad decisions.

He was also bailed out by goalies a bit more last year, this year not so much.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 20 @ 1:38 PM ET
Haha come on man have you watched the kid play this year. Clearly not the same, almost always getting lost in coverage.
- ClaudeFather


You can say that for everyone. At least Ghost helps them transition out of the defensive end
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
i think STL is in a pooptier position than we are in regards to team defense and goaltending...they are a dumpster fire right now
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
i think STL is in a pooptier position than we are in regards to team defense and goaltending...they are a dumpster fire right now
- YuenglingJagr



Allen has looked bad at times and they just resigned him last year to a nice raise.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 20 @ 1:52 PM ET
You can say that for everyone. At least Ghost helps them transition out of the defensive end
- PhillySportsGuy


Because of this, I found it extra comical that he was scratched against Boston.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:54 PM ET
Trump quoting Bane is too funny.
- Feanor


Bain's Deli was (frank)ing amazing. But then they took it out of my local malls for Subway and poop.

Also, Ivanka is Talia al Ghul.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:56 PM ET
You can say that for everyone. At least Ghost helps them transition out of the defensive end
- PhillySportsGuy


This a Chelsea Manning reference?
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 20 @ 1:57 PM ET
They're being pretty consistent right now. Three consecutive years of being a bubble team.

Where's all this talent coming from next year? Lindblom, Morin, maybe Sanheim?

I thought this season we'd see them take a step forward. No one can tell me that they see any type of improvement over last season. Players have regressed this year. The ten game winning streak was fun. Pretty sure we're going to be the first team to have one and miss the playoffs in the same season.

Patience is one thing. It takes time to acquire talent. That's a given. An ability to play consistently sound hockey can be taught. IMO the concept of team play has also regressed.

It's wholly disappointing.

- mayorofangrytown


I agree completely. To take steps back after the additions of Provorov and Konecny is largely disappointing.

I'm not advocating getting rid of Hak anytime soon, or even this off-seasons as much as I disagree with his personnel usage. I do have some serious doubts as to whether he's a long-term solution here though. That being said, if Boston fires Claude Julien, do you make a serious run at him?
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 20 @ 1:57 PM ET
If you really want to see queens battle it out with "swords" just come to Key West and head down to Duval Street any time after 10pm or so.

- BiggE


Oh like a Ren Fair?! I love Ren Fairs!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 20 @ 2:03 PM ET
They added a rookie d man and a rookie forward. Their goaltending went from best to almost worst. MDZ who was basically Provorov last year regressed to make it a wash. Ghost has had trouble scoring, the entire group of forwards have too 5v5. PK is again crap and Lappy needs to get deep sixed. It's.....complicated saying they aren't moving in the right direction. There's a lot of factors weighing them down.

Most I think just are fluky and get resolved with more personnel or less unlucky seasons. How no forward but Konecny can score 5v5 is my real worry. Their stats there have been mediocre for some time, but they've just gone in the poopter. I do wonder how much of it is systems based under Hakstol. If you look at shot charts, the Flyers are massively above average in blue line shooting, but incredibly mediocre in slot chances. It plays to why their scoring chances look like ass every night. They really just go for blue line shots and tips and screens off the cycle to exclusion almost.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 20 @ 2:04 PM ET
I agree completely. To take steps back after the additions of Provorov and Konecny is largely disappointing.

I'm not advocating getting rid of Hak anytime soon, or even this off-seasons as much as I disagree with his personnel usage. I do have some serious doubts as to whether he's a long-term solution here though. That being said, if Boston fires Claude Julien, do you make a serious run at him?

- JFlyers00


God no. Even with a great starting goalie his team is as bad as ours.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
They added a rookie d man and a rookie forward. Their goaltending went from best to almost worst. MDZ who was basically Provorov last year regressed to make it a wash. Ghost has had trouble scoring, the entire group of forwards have too 5v5. PK is again crap and Lappy needs to get deep sixed. It's.....complicated saying they aren't moving in the right direction. There's a lot of factors weighing them down.

Most I think just are fluky and get resolved with more personnel or less unlucky seasons. How no forward but Konecny can score 5v5 is my real worry. Their stats there have been mediocre for some time, but they've just gone in the poopter. I do wonder how much of it is systems based under Hakstol. If you look at shot charts, the Flyers are massively above average in blue line shooting, but incredibly mediocre in slot chances. It plays to why their scoring chances look like ass every night. They really just go for blue line shots and tips and screens off the cycle to exclusion almost.

- Mononoke


Well I went to the game in NJ that was the beginning of their tumble, and I'm going to the game Sunday so hopefully they bounce back this weekend.

They also seem very susceptible to giving up odd man rushes, and have struggled against counter-attacking teams.

I also worry about the long term effects of scratching better players (Raffl, Konecny, Ghost, etc.) while lesser players seem as though they can do no wrong. IMO, you can get away with it every now and then, but at some point the players have to think to themselves, wtf?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 20 @ 2:16 PM ET
They added a rookie d man and a rookie forward. Their goaltending went from best to almost worst. MDZ who was basically Provorov last year regressed to make it a wash. Ghost has had trouble scoring, the entire group of forwards have too 5v5. PK is again crap and Lappy needs to get deep sixed. It's.....complicated saying they aren't moving in the right direction. There's a lot of factors weighing them down.

Most I think just are fluky and get resolved with more personnel or less unlucky seasons. How no forward but Konecny can score 5v5 is my real worry. Their stats there have been mediocre for some time, but they've just gone in the poopter. I do wonder how much of it is systems based under Hakstol. If you look at shot charts, the Flyers are massively above average in blue line shooting, but incredibly mediocre in slot chances. It plays to why their scoring chances look like ass every night. They really just go for blue line shots and tips and screens off the cycle to exclusion almost.

- Mononoke


And Raffl
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 20 @ 2:17 PM ET
Well I went to the game in NJ that was the beginning of their tumble, and I'm going to the game Sunday so hopefully they bounce back this weekend.
- JFlyers00


Is this like some weird reverse Rookie of the Year tactic?
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