Yeah, that contract is (frank)ing terrible.

Love Seabrook, and would take him on the team this moment, but that contract is not going to end well...
- lumlums

Even after a milion retained its still gross.

Let chiarelli or benning trade for that one

He is on a top team

I guess it all depends on who he fits with best.. Rielly is easliy a top 30D in the league tho.. and theres 60 top pair spots available..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't think there are 30 #1 dmen in the league even though technically there obviously are 30 guys getting #1 minutes. Different definitions. I'm talking if the Leafs were to be cup contenders I think Rielly is ideally a #3 guy. Maybe #2 if he keeps getting better.

He is pretty good but is he any better than Rielly? Imo no and Rielly is more of a 2nd pairing guy too.
- daeth

Yes. On pace for 55 points, and good shot suppression.



Here's Rielly for comparison:



Now obviously these are just shot stats, but what it shows (combined with absolute G-A-P stats) is that while Shat is not as good at generating shots as Rielly, he generates better ones for him and his teammates than Rielly does, and is better at suppressing them (such that when he is on the ice more shots are towards the opposing goal - by a lot). Also, his most common partner is Gunnarson, and as we know, that means that he is likely pulling the weight in that partnership

Even after a milion retained its still gross.

Let chiarelli or benning trade for that one
- Tumbleweed

Yup.

yeah.. he's all the rage right now...

what about Ellis from Nashville?? They've been making dumb trades.. Of course we'd ask for more than Ellis, but he could be a guy..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I like Ellis for sure. Whether he'd be that top pair guy is up for debate, but he would certainly round out the top four. Rielly/Zait Gard/Ellis Nielsen(Dermott)/Carrick is a big improvement

- cabin

I don't think there are 30 #1 dmen in the league even though technically there obviously are 30 guys getting #1 minutes. Different definitions. I'm talking if the Leafs were to be cup contenders I think Rielly is ideally a #3 guy. Maybe #2 if he keeps getting better.
- daeth

He's a #1..

Sure, if Doughty was on the team he'd the second best D on the team..

I don't look at D the same way as goalies, as theres a clear drop off after 8-10, so they'd be considered a legit starter.

Yes. On pace for 55 points, and good shot suppression.



Here's Rielly for comparison:



Now obviously these are just shot stats, but what it shows (combined with absolute G-A-P stats) is that while Shat is not as good at generating shots as Rielly, he generates better ones for him and his teammates than Rielly does, and is better at suppressing them (such that when he is on the ice more shots are towards the opposing goal - by a lot). Also, his most common partner is Gunnarson, and as we know, that means that he is likely pulling the weight in that partnership
- lumlums

The Dull/Fun factor is the only one that matters

I like Ellis for sure. Whether he'd be that top pair guy is up for debate, but he would certainly round out the top four. Rielly/Zait Gard/Ellis Nielsen(Dermott)/Carrick is a big improvement
- lumlums

i think so too..

Nashville could use some more scoring if they are serious about the playoffs...

The Dull/Fun factor is the only one that matters
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I do like the Dull/fun designation

new blog everyone

I like Ellis for sure. Whether he'd be that top pair guy is up for debate, but he would certainly round out the top four. Rielly/Zait Gard/Ellis Nielsen(Dermott)/Carrick is a big improvement
- lumlums

Alzner or Shatty is who I go after in FA.

If that fails move onto one of the d men available for trade.(expensive d men)

new blog everyone
- mikeinbuffalo

Jerk. It better be good

Jerk. It better be good
- cabin

Alzner or Shatty is who I go after in FA.

If that fails move onto one of the d men available for trade.(expensive d men)
- Santo_44

I'd go around $6m for shatty.


More than $3m for seems like a lot.

Yes. On pace for 55 points, and good shot suppression.



Here's Rielly for comparison:



Now obviously these are just shot stats, but what it shows (combined with absolute G-A-P stats) is that while Shat is not as good at generating shots as Rielly, he generates better ones for him and his teammates than Rielly does, and is better at suppressing them (such that when he is on the ice more shots are towards the opposing goal - by a lot). Also, his most common partner is Gunnarson, and as we know, that means that he is likely pulling the weight in that partnership
- lumlums

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I'd go around $6m for shatty.


More than $3m for seems like a lot.
- Tumbleweed

He's going to be 28 next year. I don't mind giving him term one bit.

But you are right about the money. The Leafs have to be careful there.

I think he wants to play in the east closer to home. Toronto would fit that bill however NYR more so. But they won't be able to afford him.

He's a #1..

Sure, if Doughty was on the team he'd the second best D on the team..

I don't look at D the same way as goalies, as theres a clear drop off after 8-10, so they'd be considered a legit starter.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

gotta go back pretty far to find a team winning the cup with a #1 dman of rielly's ability.

imho.

gotta go back pretty far to find a team winning the cup with a #1 dman of rielly's ability.

imho.
- daeth

He's still getting better.

Letang is the closest recently imo.

He's going to be 28 next year. I don't mind giving him term one bit.

But you are right about the money. The Leafs have to be careful there.

I think he wants to play in the east closer to home. Toronto would fit that bill however NYR more so. But they won't be able to afford him.
- Santo_44

I'm ok with that risk on term too.

I keep thinking the Rangers have the inside. Not impossible for them to move out money

He's still getting better.

Letang is the closest recently imo.
- Tumbleweed

yes to both

letang without his injuries would be fun to watch though

gotta go back pretty far to find a team winning the cup with a #1 dman of rielly's ability.

imho.
- daeth

age: 22

nhl d man peak age: 25-27

age: 22

nhl d man peak age: 25-27
- Dozzer

I'm just speaking about his current ability. As of now he's not what I'd consider a #1 guy if you're serious about winning a cup. He's young enough that he could improve a ton though. It's not a guarantee of course as some players peak early.

I'm just speaking about his current ability. As of now he's not what I'd consider a #1 guy if you're serious about winning a cup. He's young enough that he could improve a ton though. It's not a guarantee of course as some players peak early.
- daeth

thats still 2-3 years away

lets not get ahead of ourselves here

I'm just speaking about his current ability. As of now he's not what I'd consider a #1 guy if you're serious about winning a cup. He's young enough that he could improve a ton though. It's not a guarantee of course as some players peak early.
- daeth

I understand what you're saying. I just think you're under-rating him.. I think he's a top pairing guy now, so a 2D at worst.. and he's only getting better.. Even if we got Shats I think Rielly would surpass him eventually.