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John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jan 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
Say what you will about Leddy, but at least when Martinez scored that goal Leddy was near the slot ready to defend when that damn puck hit him. I've seen a lot worse in hawk games since then. As a #5 he was an awesome option for Q. The cap sucks, wtf.
- 6628



^^^^^^
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 19 @ 1:20 PM ET
http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/18503838/nhl-ranking-top-50-prospects-following-world-junior-championship

Hawks have no one in the top 50 in rankings. trading away #1's and trading Timo and bladder for 3 #2's hurt plus Knott (I would have taken killington) has not been good. Debrinct was honorable mention.

- kmw4631



I'd like to see the Hawks sign Bondra. He was playing well for Vancouver in the WHL before bring traded to Prince George where he's lighting it up (on a much better team).
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 19 @ 1:22 PM ET
I'd like to see the Hawks sign Bondra. He was playing well for Vancouver in the WHL before bring traded to Prince George where he's lighting it up (on a much better team).
- DarthKane

Didn't know Bondra was traded. Hope being on contenders aids the development of both Bondra and Knott who was traded to a contender earlier this season.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 19 @ 2:21 PM ET
Have to piggy back what's JJ mentioned don't think it matters who we trade for at the deadline unless Toews and Keith are both in top form. We need The Toews line to be a consistent scoring threat and for Keith to be both a shut down guy and drive possession from the back end. Personally I'd like to see Keith out of the shutdown pairing roll with Hjalmarsson. The best Keith we've seen is when 4 and 27 were the primary shut down pair. Less heavy lifting for Keith. I think playing with 4 is slowing down 2s transition game. 4 can't really initiate the rush when he's along the boards on his backhand. Problem is who would Q trust to play shutdown with 4?
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jan 19 @ 3:27 PM ET
I don't think it's limited to Vanek by any means but if I had to bet where they'll land . . .
- John Jaeckel


I was watching the Boston/Detroit game last night and they were saying that Detroit is going to try and sign Vanek for next year. Seems Detroit is very happy with his production and don't want to lose him. It might take a lot more to get him then the Hawks are willing to give up. FWIW
hawkss81
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jan 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
Hammer has to submit a 10 team list for trade.
Crawford's hasn't been disclosed according to capfriendly... but usually its a 5 or 10 team list.

Seabrook has full NMC until like 2022, when he starts having to submit lists.

- gnosox1986



https://www.capfriendly.c...m/teams/blackhawks/clause

useful to know stuff about players contracts
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jan 19 @ 4:20 PM ET
seth Griffith on waivers, Big time scorer in the AHL last year small and speedy. FL put him on the top line for a few games. Looks like he has played both wings and Center over his career. He shoots right. what is the rule of thumb Forward I know D play the same side they shoot other then hammer.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 19 @ 4:30 PM ET
Funny to see Leddy in play for the Islanders as trade bait. Exactly what we already knew about him. Fast but soft as butter on a kitchen table for a week!!!!
- moots


Not really. Good for 40 points \ year playing on a top pairing for what was a playoff team. Typically carries play, the exception being this year, eats over 23 minutes a night. Taking more of the difficult zone starts. Certainly a much better player than TVR on either side of the ice.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 19 @ 4:33 PM ET
Have to piggy back what's JJ mentioned don't think it matters who we trade for at the deadline unless Toews and Keith are both in top form. We need The Toews line to be a consistent scoring threat and for Keith to be both a shut down guy and drive possession from the back end. Personally I'd like to see Keith out of the shutdown pairing roll with Hjalmarsson. The best Keith we've seen is when 4 and 27 were the primary shut down pair. Less heavy lifting for Keith. I think playing with 4 is slowing down 2s transition game. 4 can't really initiate the rush when he's along the boards on his backhand. Problem is who would Q trust to play shutdown with 4?
- bhawks2241


Well Kruger and Keith anyway and Keith especially. They need more than 1 healthy NHL center.
MNHawk
Location: Richfield, MN
Joined: 07.18.2014

Jan 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
Some veteran LW options and their cap hits:
Vanek $2.6 million
Sharp $5.9 million
JVR $4.25 million through next season
Alexandre Burrows $4.5 million
Shane Doan $3,876,134 (not sure if he would go well as a LW but Capfriendly lists him as a RW/LW)
Viktor Stalberg $1,500,000 (I know, I know, relax)
Juri Hudler $2 million



93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Jan 19 @ 5:22 PM ET
Some veteran LW options and their cap hits:
Vanek $2.6 million
Sharp $5.9 million
JVR $4.25 million through next season
Alexandre Burrows $4.5 million
Shane Doan $3,876,134 (not sure if he would go well as a LW but Capfriendly lists him as a RW/LW)
Viktor Stalberg $1,500,000 (I know, I know, relax)
Juri Hudler $2 million

- MNHawk



Burrows

For the record, I'm not attacking you or your post in anyway. I wonder what'll happen with sharp..?
yobwoc03
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Commit To The Indian, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jan 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
seth Griffith on waivers, Big time scorer in the AHL last year small and speedy. FL put him on the top line for a few games. Looks like he has played both wings and Center over his career. He shoots right. what is the rule of thumb Forward I know D play the same side they shoot other then hammer.
- kmw4631



This is the 3rd time he has been waived this year. Toronto claimed him from Boston at the start of the season. After just a handful of games Florida claimed him from Toronto. It's probably not a coincidence he can't stick anywhere.
moots
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mundelein, IL
Joined: 12.02.2009

Jan 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
Not really. Good for 40 points \ year playing on a top pairing for what was a playoff team. Typically carries play, the exception being this year, eats over 23 minutes a night. Taking more of the difficult zone starts. Certainly a much better player than TVR on either side of the ice.
- fattybeef

At 5million a year he better be......
Talk to Islander fans and they will confirm, soft......
A defenseman's job first and foremost is to play D!
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jan 19 @ 6:47 PM ET
Some veteran LW options and their cap hits:
Vanek $2.6 million
Sharp $5.9 million
JVR $4.25 million through next season
Alexandre Burrows $4.5 million
Shane Doan $3,876,134 (not sure if he would go well as a LW but Capfriendly lists him as a RW/LW)
Viktor Stalberg $1,500,000 (I know, I know, relax)
Juri Hudler $2 million

- MNHawk



I think we all agree that the Hawks are gonna need some help at wing. Standing pat is not gonna do it. I know Stan wants a first round pick for the draft this year, but I think we may have to deal that for help.
kinigitt
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: kahnawake, QC
Joined: 11.16.2015

Jan 19 @ 7:09 PM ET
Some veteran LW options and their cap hits:
Vanek $2.6 million
Sharp $5.9 million
JVR $4.25 million through next season
Alexandre Burrows $4.5 million
Shane Doan $3,876,134 (not sure if he would go well as a LW but Capfriendly lists him as a RW/LW)
Viktor Stalberg $1,500,000 (I know, I know, relax)
Juri Hudler $2 million

- MNHawk


Out of those I'd take Hudler. No contest.

Vanek has good numbers but he's useless in the playoffs. He'd be a healthy scratch at least once. He has great hands and offensive instincts but he's the definition of a coaster. It's always been his style.

Edit: Not that he's the best of the ones listed, but I think he'd be a good fit and he's cheap. JVR is too expensive and would be a bigger ask. Frankly I don't think the Hawks should be buying anything this season. You go big at the deadline to add a complimentary piece. We need a CORE piece to achieve.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 19 @ 7:22 PM ET
Have to piggy back what's JJ mentioned don't think it matters who we trade for at the deadline unless Toews and Keith are both in top form. We need The Toews line to be a consistent scoring threat and for Keith to be both a shut down guy and drive possession from the back end. Personally I'd like to see Keith out of the shutdown pairing roll with Hjalmarsson. The best Keith we've seen is when 4 and 27 were the primary shut down pair. Less heavy lifting for Keith. I think playing with 4 is slowing down 2s transition game. 4 can't really initiate the rush when he's along the boards on his backhand. Problem is who would Q trust to play shutdown with 4?
- bhawks2241

I would have to agree. While I think the FO should still acquire some help in a top 6 forward, specifically a LW, I think that this acquisition is not enough. The pivotal factor is Toews getting back on track with his offense.

I would prefer like you that the shutdown pair be Hjalmarsson and someone else who isn't named Keith. This would put less pressure on Keith and hopefully get him to elevate his game a little more.

In general, adding new pieces may help but I think what will get this team to the next level of being a true contender for the Cup is within the current roster's capacity to do: amp up the mental toughness, execute fundamentals, play simple and smart hockey, and give a complete 60-minute effort particularly on defense. If the current roster can't do these things, then a TDL pick-up isn't going to help because it's not like that player can compensate for everyone else.
Matt_Foleys_bro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.11.2012

Jan 19 @ 7:36 PM ET
I think we all agree that the Hawks are gonna need some help at wing. Standing pat is not gonna do it. I know Stan wants a first round pick for the draft this year, but I think we may have to deal that for help.
- z1990z

If we can pry JVR away from Tor and they eat a good chunk of salary, why not give up our first rounder? Of course, for the absolute right deal. Everybody seems to be walking on eggs with this 1st pick. We all know what the front office wants, but they also want to be the 2016/2017 Stanley Cup Champs. I'm not thinking you can do both. And I'm not saying that just JVR would be THE chip that send us over the top, but that move would solve a lot of issues (hopefully). Just my take on this. Got to give some to get some. One Goal...Win Now.
CanOCorn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The OP, IL
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jan 19 @ 7:39 PM ET
Would JvR be expansion draft eligible? If so, they should be able to fit him under the cap this year, then either see what happens next year to see if they can keep him OR maybe see if Vegas would take him (adding a little sweetener, if needed).


RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 19 @ 7:48 PM ET
If we can pry JVR away from Tor and they eat a good chunk of salary, why not give up our first rounder? Of course, for the absolute right deal. Everybody seems to be walking on eggs with this 1st pick. We all know what the front office wants, but they also want to be the 2016/2017 Stanley Cup Champs. I'm not thinking you can do both. And I'm not saying that just JVR would be THE chip that send us over the top, but that move would solve a lot of issues (hopefully). Just my take on this. Got to give some to get some. One Goal...Win Now.
- Matt_Foleys_bro


Why would the Leafs give up JVR, eat salary and accept a 1st rounder in the 20 -30 range in supposedly a weak draft? They are 8-1-1 in the last 10 and are in a playoff spot and hold lots of games in hand on teams they are fighting it out with. Making the playoffs is a big deal to Babcock, Lamoriello and the fans.

Stan shot his bolt the last 2 years giving up picks to go for it, doubt he does anything real big again. But lots of things can change in 6 weeks before the TDL.
Matt_Foleys_bro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.11.2012

Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM ET
Why would the Leafs give up JVR, eat salary and accept a 1st rounder in the 20 -30 range in supposedly a weak draft? They are 8-1-1 in the last 10 and are in a playoff spot and hold lots of games in hand on teams they are fighting it out with. Making the playoffs is a big deal to Babcock, Lamoriello and the fans.

Stan shot his bolt the last 2 years giving up picks to go for it, doubt he does anything real big again. But lots of things can change in 6 weeks before the TDL.

- RickJ

Just using JVR as an example, could be anyone that would fit our needs. My point is this is a win now team. Other than trading a core player, this 1st pick might do the trick. I know Stan has traded away a number of picks, but if he does nothing, there might be a riot in here! If we're not "going for it", might as well make moves for the future.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM ET
Some veteran LW options and their cap hits:
Vanek $2.6 million
Sharp $5.9 million
JVR $4.25 million through next season
Alexandre Burrows $4.5 million
Shane Doan $3,876,134 (not sure if he would go well as a LW but Capfriendly lists him as a RW/LW)
Viktor Stalberg $1,500,000 (I know, I know, relax)
Juri Hudler $2 million

- MNHawk


none of the above...
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM ET


Burrows

For the record, I'm not attacking you or your post in anyway. I wonder what'll happen with sharp..?

- 93Joe


very possible sharp could be moved...stars not going to get much and may have eat salary...

stars are in desperate mode now for playoff spot with poor defensive and goalie play...6 teams with in 5 pts for 2 wild card spots
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM ET
If we can pry JVR away from Tor and they eat a good chunk of salary, why not give up our first rounder? Of course, for the absolute right deal. Everybody seems to be walking on eggs with this 1st pick. We all know what the front office wants, but they also want to be the 2016/2017 Stanley Cup Champs. I'm not thinking you can do both. And I'm not saying that just JVR would be THE chip that send us over the top, but that move would solve a lot of issues (hopefully). Just my take on this. Got to give some to get some. One Goal...Win Now.
- Matt_Foleys_bro

I have to admit JVR would be a nice fit ,but I believe if Tor ever did move him it would be for a lot more then a 1st .Also think TO has a very good chance to be going to the dance .
I don't think Stan will give up that 1st and would not be surprised to see Stan Pat as he did in the offseason for the most part other then Campbell .If someone falls in his lap super cheap as Campbell did he may take it .
As absurd as this may sound and it may be .I could see Debrincat make a late season appearance . Now before you laugh me out of the building , just look at what a player like Mitch Marner is doing with the leafs right now . About the same age and size .Different players yes ,but if what we are looking for is a scorer he could be a fit . It has become a young mans league .
Matt_Foleys_bro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.11.2012

Jan 19 @ 9:20 PM ET
I have to admit JVR would be a nice fit ,but I believe if Tor ever did move him it would be for a lot more then a 1st .Also think TO has a very good chance to be going to the dance .
I don't think Stan will give up that 1st and would not be surprised to see Stan Pat as he did in the offseason for the most part other then Campbell .If someone falls in his lap super cheap as Campbell did he may take it .
As absurd as this may sound and it may be .I could see Debrincat make a late season appearance . Now before you laugh me out of the building , just look at what a player like Mitch Marner is doing with the leafs right now . About the same age and size .Different players yes ,but if what we are looking for is a scorer he could be a fit . It has become a young mans league .

- oldduffman

It will take more than just a 1st rounder probably for anyone of that caliber. I guess I'm one of the few that says if it gives us a legit chance at another cup, let's move the pick. Otherwise we'll be second guessing the front office...again.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 19 @ 9:24 PM ET
Looks like the Blues aren't have a much better go of it against the Caps than the Hawks did.
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