The kings that picked 11, 11, 11, 4, 2, & 5 consecutively never had a bunch of down years. Interesting take by nucks fans.
- Tumbleweed

Much like Tampa....

They got Hedman then finished in the playoffs next year...then a down year gets them Drouin...or something like that. They are a yo-yo of a team every year.

Well, it's time for somebody to put up or shut up...

https://twitter.com/wikil...status/819630102787059713

thanks for the reasoned response.

i feel conflicted about their season. I don't like the idea of a tear down that might result in what happened in Edmonton for the past 12 years or however long its taken them to finally get to this point. I look at the Isles and they haven't escaped mediocrity despite a lot of horrid seasons and high picks. the leafs themselves struggled for many years until it seems this season.

I think the Nux have to make sure they draft well wherever they pick and keep adding complementary players over the summer and get to a point where they can challenge with depth. It's nice to get a top 5 pick, but having to be a bad team to do that sucks. I dont' recall the Sharks, Ducks or Kings having to be super bad for years on end to get some strong players in the draft. granted though they might have had a down year occasionally and picked high, but they bounced back with smart trades and development in the minors.

The Nux have added some good young players with potential like Stecher, Tryamkin, and Hutton on D and made trades to get guys that are still developing into better players like Granlund and Baertschi. So i'm okay with what JB is doing.

they can float around the bubble and keep picking up a good player if they pick top 5 or 10 (Horvat was 9) without a full rebuild and ease the Sedins out of the picture.
- kaptaan

Can you un-bump?
Nobody needs to read this again.

Augello, you cheeky (frank)ing troll... I LOVE IT!!!

Getzlaf or Perry and Giroux were picked in the 20's. It's possible and that's a part of KEEPING YOUR PICKS and just drafting.

If you can't find a good player then fire your scouts like Shanahan did.
- Aaron_85

Of course - that was a freak of a draft year though for Perry/Getz.

Still, as you say, good picks can be found at all stages if your staff does their due diligence

The kings that picked 11, 11, 11, 4, 2, & 5 consecutively never had a bunch of down years. Interesting take by nucks fans.
- Tumbleweed

I don't recall them being the worst team in the league multiple times, or becoming a laughing stock.

those teams that picked 11th were nearer to the playoffs than to being the worst team.. they were just outside the bubble to get into a playoff position. the teams that picked top 5 had bad years, sure... but were they a joke? no.

Getzlaf or Perry and Giroux were picked in the 20's. It's possible and that's a part of KEEPING YOUR PICKS and just drafting.

If you can't find a good player then fire your scouts like Shanahan did.
- Aaron_85

100% agreed. There are more recent examples as well.

Boston got pastrnak at #25 after the canucks left him on the board with the mccan pick. Philly got koency with the #24 after Vancouver took boeser one pick earlier.

So it helps to draft behind the dumbass GM’s of the league is my take.

Much like Tampa....

They got Hedman then finished in the playoffs next year...then a down year gets them Drouin...or something like that. They are a yo-yo of a team every year.
- Aaron_85

yeah. the Ducks have done a similar yo yo kind of thing. challenge for the cup and then up and down, but getting good pieces and still being relevant to the cup talk.

Well, it's time for somebody to put up or shut up...

https://twitter.com/wikil...status/819630102787059713
- lumlums

Not too informed on this particular story but after hearing about Wikileaks over and over and over I don't give them or Assange an ounce of credibility in my mind. It became pretty clear that they were editorializing what they leaked. No idea what the motive was but their vigilante/whistle-blower image they tried to build is a farce.

I don't recall them being the worst team in the league multiple times, or becoming a laughing stock.

those teams that picked 11th were nearer to the playoffs than to being the worst team.. they were just outside the bubble to get into a playoff position. the teams that picked top 5 had bad years, sure... but were they a joke? no.
- kaptaan

3 non-playoff years followed by 3 top 5 picks in a row. are you joking?

Getzlaf or Perry and Giroux were picked in the 20's. It's possible and that's a part of KEEPING YOUR PICKS and just drafting.

If you can't find a good player then fire your scouts like Shanahan did.
- Aaron_85

The Caps have been able to remain good by keeping their picks too. Burakovsky, Johanssen, Kuznetsov were all picks in the 20's from recent drafts.

The thing is, you don't become an elite team without starting with a young core of elite players. The chances of acquiring these players without top 5 draft picks are not good.

100% agreed. There are more recent examples as well.

Boston got pastrnak at #25 after the canucks left him on the board with the mccan pick. Philly got koency with the #24 after Vancouver took boeser one pick earlier.

So it helps to draft behind the dumbass GM’s of the league is my take.
- Tumbleweed

your comment doesn't make sense, since, McCann was flipped for a solid d man in Gudbranson, and the guy taken before Konecny was Brock Boeser who by all rights is the top 1 or 2 college player according to many...
http://www.uscho.com/2016...act-forwards-for-2016-17/
http://www.sbncollegehock...-boeser-roslovic-werenski

The Caps have been able to remain good by keeping their picks too. Burakovsky, Johanssen, Kuznetsov were all picks in the 20's from recent drafts.

The thing is, you don't become an elite team without starting with a young core of elite players. The chances of acquiring these players without top 5 draft picks are not good.
- 1979AD

Yep. Ovechkin (1) Backstrom (4), Alzner (5) were top-5 picks. Just like Matthews (1), Marner (4) , and Rielly (5).

your comment doesn't make sense, since, McCann was flipped for a solid d man in Gudbranson, and the guy taken before Konecny was Brock Boeser who by all rights is the top 1 or 2 college player according to many...
http://www.uscho.com/2016...act-forwards-for-2016-17/
http://www.sbncollegehock...-boeser-roslovic-werenski
- kaptaan

pastrnak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gudbranson & mccan put together.


koency is proving he belongs in the nhl. boeser is still a prospect. a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush.

And Oh. Next time post something on why boeser’s production has declined this year.

Not too informed on this particular story but after hearing about Wikileaks over and over and over I don't give them or Assange an ounce of credibility in my mind. It became pretty clear that they were editorializing what they leaked. No idea what the motive was but their vigilante/whistle-blower image they tried to build is a farce.
- markmark

Agreed. Plus releasing documents that only affect one side kinda destroys the image that you're trying to create of being an impartial whistle-blower

leafs

Agreed. Plus releasing documents that only affect one side kinda destroys the image that you're trying to create of being an impartial whistle-blower
- lumlums

they had republican emails but the information in them was already public, the other emails from the Dems were not public and Dems have never denied their accuracy and in fact confirmed their legitimacy through some of their responses.

they put out the information they were given and could verify. they've got a perfect record in not putting out any fake news, unlike NYT, CNN, and other so-called mainstream media sources...

they had republican emails but the information in them was already public, the other emails from the Dems were not public and Dems have never denied their accuracy and in fact confirmed their legitimacy through some of their responses.

they put out the information they were given and could verify. they've got a perfect record in not putting out any fake news, unlike NYT, CNN, and other so-called mainstream media sources...
- kaptaan

they had republican emails but the information in them was already public, the other emails from the Dems were not public and Dems have never denied their accuracy and in fact confirmed their legitimacy through some of their responses.

they put out the information they were given and could verify. they've got a perfect record in not putting out any fake news, unlike NYT, CNN, and other so-called mainstream media sources...
- kaptaan

hello comrade

pastrnak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gudbranson & mccan put together.


koency is proving he belongs in the nhl. boeser is still a prospect. a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush.

And Oh. Next time post something on why boeser’s production has declined this year.
- Tumbleweed

not sure what you are trying to prove here, my point is that JB isn't as bad as you paint him to be. different players develop at different speeds.

the other point is that being a crappy team year after year for a 10 year or more stretch isn't something I'm keen to see for the Nux. teams that go full rebuild don't always work out in the 5 year time frame people seem to assign the process.

having 2 or 3 down years with a bounce up in between to get top 5 picks that pan out and a bunch of picks in the middle of the 1st round or later seems to be a better route than breeding a losing culture that is harder to get out of...

hello comrade
- daeth

We'll see if it works out for them.

Kings had to get Kopitar, Doughty and Quick before becoming relevant and I believe both Anze and Drew were top 3 picks.

I agree though that continuing to draft a lot of players and hoping a few pan out is key to the turnaround and once the Sedins/Miller are off the books it'll free up a lot more cap room to re-sign the new guys.

I just hope JB doesn't try to "go for it"
- Aaron_85

I hope it works out too and JB has clearly said he's not going to sacrifice picks and prospects for the here and now without youth coming back. so a 2nd for Baertschi, McCann for Gudbranson, Shinkaruk for Granlund... all of those seem to fit the bill and all have worked out really well for the Nux. Vey for a 2nd, not so much but he can't win them all.

not sure what you are trying to prove here, my point is that JB isn't as bad as you paint him to be. different players develop at different speeds.

the other point is that being a crappy team year after year for a 10 year or more stretch isn't something I'm keen to see for the Nux. teams that go full rebuild don't always work out in the 5 year time frame people seem to assign the process.

having 2 or 3 down years with a bounce up in between to get top 5 picks that pan out and a bunch of picks in the middle of the 1st round or later seems to be a better route than breeding a losing culture that is harder to get out of...
- kaptaan

That right there is what is Leaf fans said from 2006-2014. Keep her coming

go loafs!

I hope it works out too and JB has clearly said he's not going to sacrifice picks and prospects for the here and now without youth coming back. so a 2nd for Baertschi, McCann for Gudbranson, Shinkaruk for Granlund... all of those seem to fit the bill and all have worked out really well for the Nux. Vey for a 2nd, not so much but he can't win them all.
- kaptaan

McCann and a 2nd for Gudbranson*