Thanks for the info
- willi

no problemo, all courtesy of naturalstattrick.com

That'd be highway robbery if it happens
- j.boyd919

Hagelin for Muzzin cant happen. Based on Taylor Hall trade Muzzin is worth whoever is the best young forward available (probably a guy from colorad) not a mid 6 guy.

If we pulled that off it guarantees a Maatta trade like with colorado for a forward. We can't have 5 dmen who need protected on the roster. Could even open up a dumo trade - does he have better value than Maatta around league? I think on pedigree Maatta has better trade value, but dumo more important for us winning cup this year.

Hagelin for Muzzin cant happen. Based on Taylor Hall trade Muzzin is worth whoever is the best young forward available (probably a guy from colorad) not a mid 6 guy.

If we pulled that off it guarantees a Maatta trade like with colorado for a forward. We can't have 5 dmen who need protected on the roster. Could even open up a dumo trade - does he have better value than Maatta around league? I think on pedigree Maatta has better trade value, but dumo more important for us winning cup this year.
- sditulli

Honestly, I dunno, I feel like Dumo's play has regressed below Maatta's and the Dumo we are seeing now is closer to the player Dumo actually is. Whereas Maatta is still so young, he can continue to develop.





Here are the 2017 HERO charts, if you're into that kinda stuff.

30* C nights here at the moment. Cannot get a good nights sleep if it fell on top of me!!
- Aussiepenguin

Forecast is saying we are in line for weekend long blizzard here... possible 50 to 90 cm's (20 to 35 inches).

Honestly, I dunno, I feel like Dumo's play has regressed below Maatta's and the Dumo we are seeing now is closer to the player Dumo actually is. Whereas Maatta is still so young, he can continue to develop.





Here are the 2017 HERO charts, if you're into that kinda stuff.
- j.boyd919

Dumo is only 25 he can still develop. Maatta IMO, is starting to look really good again. We know what Dumo is capable of, we saw it first hand this past season and playoffs. He is not at a regression age yet, especially for a D-man.

Dumo is only 25 he can still develop. Maatta IMO, is starting to look really good again. We know what Dumo is capable of, we saw it first hand this past season and playoffs. He is not at a regression age yet, especially for a D-man.
- MattStrat

I'll agree that he can still develop, but I don't personally believe his trajectory can go much higher. We did see what he was capable of, and poop, I hope he can get back there for the Pens sake, I'm just not sure. And I'm not saying Dumo is bad by any means, I'm just not sure he can get back to the level of last year's play as a no. 1 pairing. He might be more a 2nd pairing guy, which is still good imo.

Dumo is only 25 he can still develop. Maatta IMO, is starting to look really good again. We know what Dumo is capable of, we saw it first hand this past season and playoffs. He is not at a regression age yet, especially for a D-man.
- MattStrat

The whole defense this year was slumpy at the beginning. Still kind of is even with Maatta rounding into form. Dumo seems closish to return. Lets see what he looks like when he comes back before we declare that Dumoulin isn't as good as we thought.

Letang being Letang, good Maatta, and last year's Dumoulin combined with the Cultz uber bottom pairing makes for championship capable defense even if Daley continues to suck. Yes, a top 4 RD would be fantastic, but we're simply just not going to be able to get one with cap and price tag considered. That market is just always way to vital. We need to come to the acceptance that the defense we have now is likely the one we'll carry into the playoffs.

The whole defense this year was slumpy at the beginning. Still kind of is even with Maatta rounding into form. Dumo seems closish to return. Lets see what he looks like when he comes back before we declare that Dumoulin isn't as good as we thought.

Letang being Letang, good Maatta, and last year's Dumoulin combined with the Cultz uber bottom pairing makes for championship capable defense even if Daley continues to suck. Yes, a top 4 RD would be fantastic, but we're simply just not going to be able to get one with cap and price tag considered. That market is just always way to vital. We need to come to the acceptance that the defense we have now is likely the one we'll carry into the playoffs.
- Victoro311

so.. no Erik Karlsson?

so.. no Erik Karlsson?
- j.boyd919

Or OEL. Sorry, bros.

Or OEL. Sorry, bros.
- Victoro311

hahaha

The whole defense this year was slumpy at the beginning. Still kind of is even with Maatta rounding into form. Dumo seems closish to return. Lets see what he looks like when he comes back before we declare that Dumoulin isn't as good as we thought.

Letang being Letang, good Maatta, and last year's Dumoulin combined with the Cultz uber bottom pairing makes for championship capable defense even if Daley continues to suck. Yes, a top 4 RD would be fantastic, but we're simply just not going to be able to get one with cap and price tag considered. That market is just always way to vital. We need to come to the acceptance that the defense we have now is likely the one we'll carry into the playoffs.
- Victoro311

I still think they will/need add a veteran D man for insurance.

I still think they will/need add a veteran D man for insurance.
- all-pgh

They have Fehr, Pouliot, and Fleury as potential chips. It can be done in multiple trades (i.e. Trade fleury for pick(s) to open cap space, then package pouliot and fehr for a rental mid pairing dman.). That doesnt seem far fetched and we would have some spare picks to add to that deal. I don't think we need to do anything with our group of forwards other than a reshuffle to appropriate roles.

I still think they will/need add a veteran D man for insurance.
- all-pgh

That's fine and I agree. One injury sinks this quad since it seems like Ruhwedl (s?) and Warsofsky are the only competent call ups right now and neither are guys you want playing during a cup run. Just expect it to be a bottom pairing caliber guy. I'll consider us luck to get a guy of around the same caliber as Lovejoy. My point was that we're not gonna be getting a Trouba and it'll be a surprise if we get anyone who's actively better than anyone already on the roster.

They have Fehr, Pouliot, and Fleury as potential chips. It can be done in multiple trades (i.e. Trade fleury for pick(s) to open cap space, then package pouliot and fehr for a rental mid pairing dman.). That doesnt seem far fetched and we would have some spare picks to add to that deal. I don't think we need to do anything with our group of forwards other than a reshuffle to appropriate roles.
- buckster2342

Fehr/Fleury are not potential chips. Big deadline acquisitions like a legit top 4D is going to run you 1st round pick + a guy like pouliot + maybe a 3rd asset. I wouldn't be least bit surprised if a legit 2nd pairing rental would costs us 1st round pick + sprong + pouliot. We can afford it but very expensive.

Fleury/Fehr have absolutely zero to do with our TDL targets (other than for cap space). But they are not the assets used to acquire our targets. If we can dump Fleury for a 4th round pick right now I"d probably take it.

Personal opinion I don't like the rental route.

Our window seems to be fairly wide open right now. Maybe Malkin is slowing down a little? Crosby is as good as ever and I've made a point before that I think hockey players understrength train. I think Crosby might be on a Jagr trajectory where he becomes a bull towards the 2nd stage of his career after he loses elite speed. Guentzel/Sprong can be key top 6 elc guys for the next window.

So I'd call our trade assets Sundqvist (trending up as an asset), Pouliot, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick. Some 2nd/3rd tier assets (blueger/wilson/kuhn etc).

Overall I don't think our window is 3-5 years at a minimum so this doesn't seem to be the year to spend assets for a run. The team is well enough constructed for a cup run right now that you can let assets build to extend the window. All this goes out the window if Maatta/Dumo have injury issues heading into the tdl. If letang has an issue you can cancel the run and its not worth adding.

Fehr/Fleury are not potential chips. Big deadline acquisitions like a legit top 4D is going to run you 1st round pick + a guy like pouliot + maybe a 3rd asset. I wouldn't be least bit surprised if a legit 2nd pairing rental would costs us 1st round pick + sprong + pouliot. We can afford it but very expensive.

Fleury/Fehr have absolutely zero to do with our TDL targets (other than for cap space). But they are not the assets used to acquire our targets. If we can dump Fleury for a 4th round pick right now I"d probably take it.
- sditulli

A team in need of forward help may give up a 7 D for Fehr, although it'd be extremely questionable if it would be any sort of significant upgrade from the 7 Ds we have right now. The best we can hope for in a Fher one-for-one swap would be a Taylor Chorney type probably.

Personal opinion I don't like the rental route.

Our window seems to be fairly wide open right now. Maybe Malkin is slowing down a little? Crosby is as good as ever and I've made a point before that I think hockey players understrength train. I think Crosby might be on a Jagr trajectory where he becomes a bull towards the 2nd stage of his career after he loses elite speed. Guentzel/Sprong can be key top 6 elc guys for the next window.

So I'd call our trade assets Sundqvist (trending up as an asset), Pouliot, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick. Some 2nd/3rd tier assets (blueger/wilson/kuhn etc).

Overall I don't think our window is 3-5 years at a minimum so this doesn't seem to be the year to spend assets for a run. The team is well enough constructed for a cup run right now that you can let assets build to extend the window. All this goes out the window if Maatta/Dumo have injury issues heading into the tdl. If letang has an issue you can cancel the run and its not worth adding.
- sditulli

With how young our supporting cast is, we should be contenders right up until the point that Crosby and Malkin retire. The nearest potential road snag I see that can seriously jeopardize us is the potential decline of Letang, but he's a health freak and none of his injuries seem to slow him down. Still, it'd be nice to somehow get a young guy with 1 D potential in the system. I think we need to start using our high draft picks on D men unless there's a stud forward prospect on the board.

A team in need of forward help may give up a 7 D for Fehr, although it'd be extremely questionable if it would be any sort of significant upgrade from the 7 Ds we have right now. The best we can hope for in a Fher one-for-one swap would be a Taylor Chorney type probably.
- Victoro311

Well yes I was talking about a mid-pairing guy. A 7D will costs a 3rd round pick (last years market) so swapping Fehr would be more of a hockey trade than rental price but still make sense. I'd do Fehr for chorney very quickly if offered.

With how young our supporting cast is, we should be contenders right up until the point that Crosby and Malkin retire. The nearest potential road snag I see that can seriously jeopardize us is the potential decline of Letang, but he's a health freak and none of his injuries seem to slow him down. Still, it'd be nice to somehow get a young guy with 1 D potential in the system. I think we need to start using our high draft picks on D men unless there's a stud forward prospect on the board.
- Victoro311

I agree with this. And window should still be open if only one of Crosby/Malkin is still a star (provided we hang on to our picks and continue to get hits). Letang seems like a guy who will age very well or very poorly. He's either still a star or on LTIR for multiple seasons.

Also crosby/malkin contracts only take them until they are 34 and 36 respectively which isn't really that old. Economy is picking up a little so I wouldn't be surprised if the cap is $10 million higher. That means a lot more cap room to add other pieces. Will only need them to be functional 1C and not superstars if we add around them.

- j.boyd919

Looks like it's too late for you.

Numbers are numbers, Hornys reliance on Geno appears real - check out who assists his goals.

See when someone quotes just 1 piece of data? I'm sure you're not a fan of what I 'quoted' as it doesn't fit your opinion but it's there, it's a fact, it's data!

And just like that the league lead in points is far away again. Nice 0 points Crosby shows up again. Someone get that black hole that is killing sid off his line!

And the damn ginger kid 4 points ahead again. Nice work sid. Nice (frank)ing work you slow ass

And the damn ginger kid 4 points ahead again. Nice work sid. Nice (frank)ing work you slow ass
- martox

New blog dumb ass!!