I'm curious what does the trickle down effect look like for the other lines with Hornqvist or Rust with Crosby ? How does it effect Malkins line ?
- willi

Hopefully it puts a guy named Phil Kessel we traded for on it. I think it took Malkin and Kessel about 20 seconds on the ice together last night to produce a goal. The HBK is dead, just let it go Sullivan. Let it go.

Pitt already has 3...Olesky, Ruhdewahl, Warsofsky, and we all know what DP is like. You really arent going to get more than that at the moment.

Tim Erixon would be the next one to go up after those 4, then its a bunch of unprovens like Prow, Percy Gaunce etc.
- Reverend Killtaker

serious question for a trade in a pool, is DP already considered a bust ?

serious question for a trade in a pool, is DP already considered a bust ?
- Xizord

It's been rumored they're getting tired of waiting for him. He hasn't been able to stick with the big club after several chances. It was pretty obvious a couple of weeks ago he's not ready.

My guess is they'll trade him for immediate help at the TDL. He's looking like a project these days.

serious question for a trade in a pool, is DP already considered a bust ?
- Xizord

I think he is a bust for the Penguins, but not necessarily a bust in general. The issue with moving him is that for him to have success, it's going to have to be to a team that doesn't play a fast paced system like the Pens do. He can out perform alot of talent in the ahl because the speed isn't always there. If he can go to a team that likes to slow down the pace of the game and grind down the opponent, then he still has promise.

At this point, I think Pitt is tired of him and he is tired of Pitt. A change may help. It is worth noting that WBS coach Clark Donatellie did say that he has been pleased with DPs progress both offensively and defensively as of late. It could be just posturing though to make him more marketable

I'm curious what does the trickle down effect look like for the other lines with Hornqvist or Rust with Crosby ? How does it effect Malkins line ?
- willi

I'll check on that tomorrow. On my way to play some puck now.

Close to another Lundqvist net flip!

Jets recalled Pavelac...Mega trade for Ehlers + Trouba!
- sammy87

THEy are not trading Ehlers, he's like 8th in scoring and he and Laine have super chemistry. Not a chance in hell.

Horny is still on pace for give or take 50 points. Not to mention is all situations goal differential is 50 goals for, and 18 against. I don't give a poop if all your points come on the PP. If your team outscores the other while you're on the ice, regardless of ES or PP, you're a valuable asset.

Rust on the other hand is 28 GF and 29 GA all situations (3 are PK goals), so he barely breaks even.
- j.boyd919

Agree on Rust

I think he is a bust for the Penguins, but not necessarily a bust in general. The issue with moving him is that for him to have success, it's going to have to be to a team that doesn't play a fast paced system like the Pens do. He can out perform alot of talent in the ahl because the speed isn't always there. If he can go to a team that likes to slow down the pace of the game and grind down the opponent, then he still has promise.

At this point, I think Pitt is tired of him and he is tired of Pitt. A change may help. It is worth noting that WBS coach Clark Donatellie did say that he has been pleased with DPs progress both offensively and defensively as of late. It could be just posturing though to make him more marketable
- Reverend Killtaker

I concur 100%. It's highly unlikely that he ever amounts to much as a Penguin but the talent is definitely there for him to excel with a change of scenery to a team who plays a style more fitting his ability. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a Shultz-like turnaround from Pouliot once he's traded and I do expect him to be traded by the deadline. The right team could be very happy.

15 Goals! Still rubbing my eyes. Can't believe what my eyes saw!

Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP
Heavy Penguins presence at TBL/LAK: Director of Pro Scouting + 2 pro scouts. LA completed season series, TBL don't play until after deadline

Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP
Heavy Penguins presence at TBL/LAK: Director of Pro Scouting + 2 pro scouts. LA completed season series, TBL don't play until after deadline
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Pouliot would 'probably' fit their D system. More organised & less dynamic. I've said this before Pouliot to LA for Pearson & we'll throw Flower in for Zatts to even up the trade - the cap is LA's problem!

Edit: Or we are looking into a Garrison trade.

I do think he is a bad option in the top 6 though.

Again.. at 5v5..
Sid with Horny - 16 GF, 6 GA
Sid with Rust - 9 GF, 10 GA

If him with Sid is dragging the goal differential in the negative.. he needs to be taken off that line.
- j.boyd919

So who were the D pairings in those goals? What circumstances in the game? Again, you quote 1 stat & argue your opinion - I'm not looking to argue again, but you cannot possibly justify an opinion quoting 1 stat with no other reference.

Last season Perron was crucified on here not scoring - not much else was mentioned. Top line guys need to score - & score regularly or put up points. The team gets scored against not 1 player no matter what your single statistic may show. Sid scores 3 then disappears for 4 games - not because he's playing with player 'g' but because he doesn't shoot, gets cornered by good D, feels bad, suffering a bad case of blue balls etc etc. your stats aren't built to judge on their own, they are a history lesson of what happened in those games! They should be accepted & used as just that!

Edit: Fun fact/stat, is Hornys goals have been 'mostly' assisted by Geno. Of the 7 I quickly found ALL 100% were assisted by Geno - that stat 'could' suggest Horny needs Geno to be able to score as Horny does play on other lines but is assisted best by Geno?? The numbers show that it must be true!

He was exhausted at the end of a long shift. I want him off that line too, but I've seen great players butcher chances when they're out of gas.
- madmike71

Philbo was absolutely dying of the snake bites he got last season. Poor bastard could of had 50 goals had he not missed the net/puck/open net/broken stick.

Pouliot would 'probably' fit their D system. More organised & less dynamic. I've said this before Pouliot to LA for Pearson & we'll throw Flower in for Zatts to even up the trade - the cap is LA's problem!

Edit: Or we are looking into a Garrison trade.
- Aussiepenguin

We are looking for d LA is looking for a forward. Haglin for Muzzin straight up. Then Sullivan cant play that stupid HBK line together.

Damn this weather, whatever happened to winter? If all i have to do again today is ebay and hockeybuzz im going to go insane.

We are looking for d LA is looking for a forward. Haglin for Muzzin straight up. Then Sullivan cant play that stupid HBK line together.
- Grinder47

Doubt we get Pearson out of them but I wouldn't bet against them taking a cost controlled 'talented' NHL experienced Dman off our hands. Pretty sure they have prospects but not too many where Pouliot is now, & as it's been said Pouliot needs a more structured slower D to succeed (maybe).

But you never know.........

Damn this weather, whatever happened to winter? If all i have to do again today is ebay and hockeybuzz im going to go insane.
- Grinder47

30* C nights here at the moment. Cannot get a good nights sleep if it fell on top of me!!

I think the real answer to this whole rust/horny debate is to move Crosby down to the fourth line. He's been dragging the team down all year...

All of my responses were aimed at you saying that Rust isn't a liability on Sid's line, all of the numbers I've posted show Sid's line production hitting the negatives since Rust was put there, which, in my eyes makes him a liability and I used Horny as an example as to how Sid's production looks better with a more competent player.
- j.boyd919

Just a reminder to not confuse correlation with causation. Rust being on Sid's line and the production being down vs with Horny on that line does not mean that Rust's presence is the cause. There are dozens of other factors that can impact that and focusing solely on the Rust vs Horny production vs damage rates disregards that.

That being said, I do think that Horny fits that line better. Sid has done well with the 1 speed demon that'll go chase down pucks, 1 guy that'll bruise & take a beating in front of the net & himself. That's been a good mix for Sid since basically 2009. Be it Duper and Kunitz or Horny and Sheary or some other mix of 2 guys that play certain ways. And Horny does it better than Rust as that net-front guy.

Just a reminder to not confuse correlation with causation. Rust being on Sid's line and the production being down vs with Horny on that line does not mean that Rust's presence is the cause. There are dozens of other factors that can impact that and focusing solely on the Rust vs Horny production vs damage rates disregards that.

That being said, I do think that Horny fits that line better. Sid has done well with the 1 speed demon that'll go chase down pucks, 1 guy that'll bruise & take a beating in front of the net & himself. That's been a good mix for Sid since basically 2009. Be it Duper and Kunitz or Horny and Sheary or some other mix of 2 guys that play certain ways. And Horny does it better than Rust as that net-front guy.
- ScienceJesus

Agreed. It doesn't take a genius to know Sheary-Crosby-Hornqvist has good chemistry. Nor does it take one to know that Malkin-Hornqvist had mediocre chemistry or that Rust isn't a real top 6 guy. Put Hornqvist back with Crosby and be done with it. After that its a matter of preference weather you want a more balanced approach with HBK or you want the lethality of the Malkin-Kessel connection. I tend to think HBK hasn't really worked all year, so I'm inclined to put Malkin with Kessel. In fact, I'd reunite Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel, as that tends to work pretty well, and then bump Guentzel to the third line to give a scoring punch to the third line that would have Bonino and Rust on it. See how that goes. Hagelin-Bonino-Rust would be a female dog to play against, but it would probably never score.

We are looking for d LA is looking for a forward. Haglin for Muzzin straight up. Then Sullivan cant play that stupid HBK line together.
- Grinder47

That'd be highway robbery if it happens

So who were the D pairings in those goals? What circumstances in the game? Again, you quote 1 stat & argue your opinion - I'm not looking to argue again, but you cannot possibly justify an opinion quoting 1 stat with no other reference.

Last season Perron was crucified on here not scoring - not much else was mentioned. Top line guys need to score - & score regularly or put up points. The team gets scored against not 1 player no matter what your single statistic may show. Sid scores 3 then disappears for 4 games - not because he's playing with player 'g' but because he doesn't shoot, gets cornered by good D, feels bad, suffering a bad case of blue balls etc etc. your stats aren't built to judge on their own, they are a history lesson of what happened in those games! They should be accepted & used as just that!

Edit: Fun fact/stat, is Hornys goals have been 'mostly' assisted by Geno. Of the 7 I quickly found ALL 100% were assisted by Geno - that stat 'could' suggest Horny needs Geno to be able to score as Horny does play on other lines but is assisted best by Geno?? The numbers show that it must be true!
- Aussiepenguin

I'm curious what does the trickle down effect look like for the other lines with Hornqvist or Rust with Crosby ? How does it effect Malkins line ?
- willi

Quick look...

Horny....
With Sid at 5v5, Pens have scored 16 and let in 6
With Geno at 5v5, Pens have scored 8 and let in 9

Rust...
With Sid at 5v5, Pens have scored 9 and let in 10
With Geno at 5v5, Pens have scored 3 and let in 3

Horny has an even or positive goal differential at 5v5 with every forward he;s played with BUT Malkin (-1) and Bonino (-1)

Rust has an even or positive goal differential at 5v5 with Sheary (+1), Bones (even), and Geno (even), the other forwards he has played with are in the negatives (not severely, -1 or -2)

Quick look...

Horny....
With Sid at 5v5, Pens have scored 16 and let in 6
With Geno at 5v5, Pens have scored 8 and let in 9

Rust...
With Sid at 5v5, Pens have scored 9 and let in 10
With Geno at 5v5, Pens have scored 3 and let in 3

Horny has an even or positive goal differential at 5v5 with every forward he;s played with BUT Malkin (-1) and Bonino (-1)

Rust has an even or positive goal differential at 5v5 with Sheary (+1), Bones (even), and Geno (even), the other forwards he has played with are in the negatives (not severely, -1 or -2)
- j.boyd919

Thanks for the info