Eh, STL don't be a semantic boob, you know I was talking about them all being worth the same amount of potential points to a particular team as any other game in the regular season.
- L_B_R

Just thought I'd add a little humor here.

I guess not....

there are such things as statement games. Home opener ya, every team is still figuring out their rosters, but what stats or indication make you think this team should try and go all in this season? because aside from one seven game winning streak against that ended early November, i'm just not seeing it. possession is awful, which is what this team's identity is based on. defense is spotty and guys signed to fix those holes keep getting benched by Q, and Toews is just not having a good year. The excuse before was that Hossa was too old and he didn't have a legit top 6 LW. Well Hossa has not been the problem so you'd think that line would be at least better than last year. I'm not buying the "they'll turn it on during the playoffs" excuse.
- arps714

I do believe there are such things as statement games, but disagree that there's any inherent significance to outdoor games beyond there being more attention on them.

My argument wasn't that this team is as good as their record - I just think it's silly to focus on one particular game where they didn't have all their main players or one so soon in the season as any determining game.

I'm confused about the salary cap. I thought I had been previously told on this board that the cap is "use it or lose it," meaning the amount a team was under the cap on a daily basis was salary that team would not be able to spend for the season.

But reading The Atlantic and Capfriendly.com, it seems like that was wrong.

It seems like the cap works something like this:

- The total amount of salary the team can spend for the year is the annual salary cap
- The annual salary cap is split up into days of the season.
- Every team must be under the cap each day of the season.
- The amount a team is under the cap EACH DAY accumulates for each team. That accumulated amount (the sum of the daily difference between the daily cap and the team's salary) creates additional cap space for the team to use by taking that accumulated amount and dividing it by the number of days remaining in the season.
For example, if Team A was $6m under the cap for the first half of the season, they could go over the cap by $6m for the second half of the season. If they were $6m under the cap for the first 2/3 of the season, they could go $9m over the cap for the remaining 1/3 of the season.

Is that right?
(Thanks!)

Just thought I'd add a little humor here.

I guess not....
- StLBravesFan

Shoulda been more obvious - that comment just blended in with other pribbling comments.

That chart uses adjusted numbers, underling and high level, that takes into consideration things like quality of competition, zone deployment, and score etc and then compares them with their peers. It almost like we know how to account for context. Fact is, Larsson may be getting the minutes of a top 4 d-man, but he's not performing it well. Potential to be a #4 is there.

Other teams pairs in the Pacific:






- L_B_R

Meh...plays the other teams best, plays the most 5v5 and doesn't get scored on a lot.

He's on the ice for more shots for than against ( you can't say the same for Hjammer who plays on a better team with a better partner )

except the hawks have lost 8 straight to the Wild and have not shown any evidence to suggest they can beat the Blues when it matters (Winter Classic, home opener). So no they should not go all IN. you go all in when you have a solid top 6 and need depth guys/role players
- arps714

except the hawks have lost 8 straight to the Wild and have not shown any evidence to suggest they can beat the Blues when it matters (Winter Classic, home opener). So no they should not go all IN. you go all in when you have a solid top 6 and need depth guys/role players
- arps714

Except they beat Minny out of the playoffs the last 3 times I think and lost to ST.L by a eyelash last year .Winter Classic is a joke of a game played in less then idea conditions ,and In MHO should not be played as a regular season game .Were they not going to decided the whole thing by a SO if weather condition dictated .Complete and utter waste of time . The west will be wide open this year and the HAWKS would be wise to go all in ..

I'm confused about the salary cap. I thought I had been previously told on this board that the cap is "use it or lose it," meaning the amount a team was under the cap on a daily basis was salary that team would not be able to spend for the season.

But reading The Atlantic and Capfriendly.com, it seems like that was wrong.

It seems like the cap works something like this:

- The total amount of salary the team can spend for the year is the annual salary cap
- The annual salary cap is split up into days of the season.
- Every team must be under the cap each day of the season.
- The amount a team is under the cap EACH DAY accumulates for each team. That accumulated amount (the sum of the daily difference between the daily cap and the team's salary) creates additional cap space for the team to use by taking that accumulated amount and dividing it by the number of days remaining in the season.
For example, if Team A was $6m under the cap for the first half of the season, they could go over the cap by $6m for the second half of the season. If they were $6m under the cap for the first 2/3 of the season, they could go $9m over the cap for the remaining 1/3 of the season.

Is that right?
(Thanks!)
- matt_ahrens

Yes

Pens just swarming the net creating chaos in front of Holtby - 5 goals in a row after being down 0-3.

Hope some Blackhawks are watching.

Pens just swarming the net creating chaos in front of Holtby - 5 goals in a row after being down 0-3.

Hope some Blackhawks are watching.
- StLBravesFan

6-5 Pens

Crazy, goal after goal

let me know if you can figure this NHL game out...see some crazy play and swings..

caps were up 3-0 early in the second and then 8 goals; 6 by the pens...

holtby can get his ass kicked now and then

let me know if you can figure this NHL game out...see some crazy play and swings..

caps were up 3-0 early in the second and then 8 goals; 6 by the pens...

holtby can get his ass kicked now and then
- bogiedoc

I think they forgot to put the tenders in.

Meh...plays the other teams best, plays the most 5v5 and doesn't get scored on a lot.

He's on the ice for more shots for than against ( you can't say the same for Hjammer who plays on a better team with a better partner )
- Garnie

Again, those charts are accounting for things like QOC, minutes, GF%, etc. Compared to other guys who face the same things for other teams, Larsson does not quite fall into the top 4 category currently.

But yes, Larsson on average (per60) is on the ice for 3 more shot attempts for than against - about 1 more SOG than against. That's quite the feat considering it's the best Larsson has ever done in a 'full' season (obviously not over - though note he's been on a good possession team before). This season is, however, the first Hjammer has been below 52% CF (and part of that was because he was with a rookie to start). If you're going to bring up quality of partner, at least look into who Hjammer has played with outside of the obvious. The one thing I 100% agree with you on is that playing with Russell does hurt Larsson. Outside of that, Larsson does play almost exclusively with the top 6 of Edmonton while Hjammer splits his time with top 6 and the shutdown line (Panik and Kruger are in his top 5 most common forward ice-mates). I actually do think Hjammer is having a down-year in terms of underlying numbers, though it appears more situational to the team's overall issues / usage than him as a player.

Either way, the fact remains that Larsson is currently performing like a 3rd pairing guy who is being played above his capabilities. He's close to being a #4 and his youth helps that improvement could come for sure, but he's just not quite there yet. I don't think that's a radical opinion.

Edit: I can't believe I spent that much time on that blah

let me know if you can figure this NHL game out...see some crazy play and swings..

caps were up 3-0 early in the second and then 8 goals; 6 by the pens...

holtby can get his ass kicked now and then
- bogiedoc

Bogie...

That was one of the wildest periods in years. Caps were on cruise control and ...

BANG!

Pens just swarming the net creating chaos in front of Holtby - 5 goals in a row after being down 0-3.

Hope some Blackhawks are watching.
- StLBravesFan

hawks swarm the net...not sure I have seen it at all this year...

pens are getting alot of bounces...BUT they are in spots to make those bounces happen

Bogie...

That was one of the wildest periods in years. Caps were on cruise control and ...

BANG!
- ArlingtonRob

again reminds us how quickly things change in games and over games...

sure as hell would like to see some quick turn around change with the hawks..

as Q says: things change quickly in our business

Yes
- Garnie

Thanks!

Again, those charts are accounting for things like QOC, minutes, GF%, etc. Compared to other guys who face the same things for other teams, Larsson does not quite fall into the top 4 category currently.

But yes, Larsson on average (per60) is on the ice for 3 more shot attempts for than against - about 1 more SOG than against. That's quite the feat considering it's the best Larsson has ever done in a 'full' season (obviously not over - though note he's been on a good possession team before). This season is, however, the first Hjammer has been below 52% CF (and part of that was because he was with a rookie to start). If you're going to bring up quality of partner, at least look into who Hjammer has played with outside of the obvious. The one thing I 100% agree with you on is that playing with Russell does hurt Larsson. Outside of that, Larsson does play almost exclusively with the top 6 of Edmonton while Hjammer splits his time with top 6 and the shutdown line (Panik and Kruger are in his top 5 most common forward ice-mates). I actually do think Hjammer is having a down-year in terms of underlying numbers, though it appears more situational to the team's overall issues / usage than him as a player.

Either way, the fact remains that Larsson is currently performing like a 3rd pairing guy who is being played above his capabilities. He's close to being a #4 and his youth helps that improvement could come for sure, but he's just not quite there yet. I don't think that's a radical opinion.

Edit: I can't believe I spent that much time on that blah
- L_B_R

Especially when neither of us cheer for Edm

Except they beat Minny out of the playoffs the last 3 times I think and lost to ST.L by a eyelash last year .Winter Classic is a joke of a game played in less then idea conditions ,and In MHO should not be played as a regular season game .Were they not going to decided the whole thing by a SO if weather condition dictated .Complete and utter waste of time . The west will be wide open this year and the HAWKS would be wise to go all in ..
- oldduffman

I agree. it seems like when talking trades, rebuilding, etc., the importance of the no movement clauses in the core players' contracts is minimized. The FO revealed its intention to keep the core together as long as it could, and to tinker around its edges, by issuing the NMCs in the first place. In doing so, they recognized the difficulty of acquiring one, much less many, truly great game-changing players.

After years of pre-Rocky irrelevancy, the last thing the Hawks want to do is signal that they are voluntarily going to waste exciting talents like Patrick Kane, Duncan Keith and Artemi Panerin by standing still at the TDL and entering the playoffs on a wing and a prayer or even worse, as some on this board have suggested, by prematurely entering into a rebuilding phase. As long as they have a shot, they are going to take the shot, as they should.

hawks swarm the net...not sure I have seen it at all this year...

pens are getting alot of bounces...BUT they are in spots to make those bounces happen
- bogiedoc

Crazy game. Both teams are just flying. Hawks couldn't survive that kind of pace these days. It's the kind of open fast paced game the NHL should be striving for..... too bad they are so backwards.

Especially when neither of us cheer for Edm

- Garnie

Lol yes.

Crazy game. Both teams are just flying. Hawks couldn't survive that kind of pace these days. It's the kind of open fast paced game the NHL should be striving for..... too bad they are so backwards.
- bhawks2241

I don't know, the really fast but low scoring Hawks-Rangers games earlier were super fun to watch too.

let me know if you can figure this NHL game out...see some crazy play and swings..

caps were up 3-0 early in the second and then 8 goals; 6 by the pens...

holtby can get his ass kicked now and then
- bogiedoc

I know most of you won't agree, but tell me there is not something bigger determining these games? Caps blow out Chicago and Phil, cruizing past Pens, and then they just forget how to play hockey? Remember it's an entertainment business first. Too much money involved to just let teams determine the outcome.
When I was young, I used to think I had to watch a movie to know the ending. But now I know that the ending is known long before the movie is made.

I don't know, the really fast but low scoring Hawks-Rangers games earlier were super fun to watch too.
- L_B_R

That was a fun game to watch. One of the times we really got to see Vesey play. He looks like he will be a decent player.

What a shame that this game will be decided...

...by tidly winks.