they could get a ton for G, Jake, Simmonds

but they'd be left with nothing

I'm for getting whatever they can for MDZ, Streit, one of the goalies at the TDL
- Marc D

I'm not ready to move G, Jake, Simmonds, Coots, Provorov, TK or any of the top prospects, and I'm willing to be patient, I don't want a panic move that could come back to haunt them.

Anyone else though, if the offer is a good one, should be made available

Probably a combination of both....players and coaching....it all has to get better.
- landros 2

Hey, that's reasonable, please take that elsewhere!

Hextall has a lot of options he can take this club.

Staying the course and doing nothing I hope is not one of them however.

In the off-season:
-Does he replace some coaching staff?
-Goaltending
-Giroux. Trade or not trade?
-Bottom 6

As the defensive prospects are growing, the remaining issues on the club are coming to a forefront. Curious what he does.
- flyer_nutter

There are two different discussions. What might be done in season, and what might be done in the off season.

Agree 100%
- BiggE

Ironically his system and structure is what I liked best. The lineup decisions, riding goaltenders into the ground, and weird scratches were my issue. He is continuing this trend however, and I dont see an improvement.

Nor so I see appropriate in game adjustments. Hell I mean at times a timeout a silly as it sounds, may help your team calm itself. You have them for a reason.

I have this feeling that Hextall will stand by his man, and we see Giroux gone before we see Hak replaced. Thats quite frankly a joke imo after everything Giroux has done for this club. I dont think they get as much for him as people think. Everyone is riding Giroux at the moment, I am not surprised of the decline based on the abuse he's taken over the years, and how hard he has played.

Do we know Giroux is not injured?

There are two different discussions. What might be done in season, and what might be done in the off season.
- MJL

I dont believe in drastic moves mid season. I think the draft is one of the best times for those kind of trades.

Same for coaching. We both know I am not a fan of Hakstol, but letting him go now is weird. Replace him with who? Gordon? Lappy?

I'm not ready to move G, Jake, Simmonds, Coots, Provorov, TK or any of the top prospects, and I'm willing to be patient, I don't want a panic move that could come back to haunt them.

Anyone else though, if the offer is a good one, should be made available
- BiggE

I think moving G will create a bigger hole. I dont see them getting that much back to make it worth it.

Or maata over Laughton?
- FlyerLifer

I;m fine with Coots. Laughton over Maata is looking bad at this point but being realistic every team can play that game for and against picks made

I dont believe in drastic moves mid season. I think the draft is one of the best times for those kind of trades.

Same for coaching. We both know I am not a fan of Hakstol, but letting him go now is weird. Replace him with who? Gordon? Lappy?
- flyer_nutter

I think Hextall would have to be basically forced to remove Hakstol. I don't know if it has reached that point.

they could get a ton for G, Jake, Simmonds

but they'd be left with nothing

I'm for getting whatever they can for MDZ, Streit, one of the goalies at the TDL
- Marc D

What about that ton they'd be getting. They'd have that ton.

Not advocating it but after the last half decade the D is coming, the goaltending appears to be coming. Maybe blowing up the offense should be so unthinkable.

What about that ton they'd be getting. They'd have that ton.

Not advocating it but after the last half decade the D is coming, the goaltending appears to be coming. Maybe blowing up the offense should be so unthinkable.
- mayorofangrytown

It's not unthinkable if the right value can be had.

I think Hextall would have to be basically forced to remove Hakstol. I don't know if it has reached that point.
- MJL

I know I bash the guy, but I will be the first to say I really do hope he finds a way. He seems to have so many positives, and initially systems wise he impressed me a great deal.

I see G going before I see Hak going.

This teams problems are way beyond goaltending they simply aren't good enough.
VdV: borderline NHL player
PEB: generic 4th liner
Lyubimov: good 4th liner, lacks the hands to play higher in the lineup
Read: at age 30, injury prone borderline 3rd liner
Cousins: fringe NHL player
Raffl: generic 3rd liner
Weise: solid, but way overpaid 4th liner
Schenn: pp monster, but a 3rd liner player at ES
Couturier: prototype 3rd line C on a Cup team, so-so as a 2C
Konecny: talented kid, but hitting a wall. Has great potential

That basically leaves for your top 6:
Giroux: pp beast, but no more than a 2C at ES
Simmonds: quality 2nd line RW, pp beast and one of the few guys on this team that plays with any heart
Jake: solid 1st line wing

And the D is worse:
Schultz: fading 3rd pair vet
Streit: aging pp specialist, no better than 3rd pair at ES
Manning: generic 3rd pair guy
AMac: solid, but overpaid 4/5 guy, being asked to do WAY too much
Gudas: average 2nd pair guy who is playing hurt
MDZ: average 2nd pair guy who is in a slump
Ghost: offensive talent, having a sophomore slump. Solid future 2nd pair, top pp QB
Provorov: just turned 20, and being asked to do way too much at this point in his career. Potential to be future #1 Dman

They just aren't good enough and when you add so-so coaching and struggling goaltending to mix you get the mess that we are all suffering through.
- BiggE

I have to say, I think you're pretty much spot on. They just don't have the horses right now...

I think Hextall would have to be basically forced to remove Hakstol. I don't know if it has reached that point.
- MJL

I think Hak will stay as long as the prospects progress. I'm sure hexy isn't expecting them to be contenders with the roster they have. If they don't improve, there's going to be lots of changes that don't even have to be done through trade but simply letting ufas walk.

I am never good at this.

Let's say we put Giroux on the market. What do the Flyers get back? I really dont think it will be enough to off-set the loss even going forward.

You lose Giroux and your #2 center is Cousins. Your #1 is Couturier. Jesus Christ.

9 straight road losses. That is bottom feeder wussy poop.

I have to say, I think you're pretty much spot on. They just don't have the horses right now...
- WhirlingDervish

Thats one argument.

The other question is are you getting as much as you can out of Schenn, Couturier, Simmonds, Voracek and Giroux.

I would see yes to Jake and Simmonds.

Again, not sure how much value Schenn, Coots and G have.

I am never good at this.

Let's say we put Giroux on the market. What do the Flyers get back? I really dont think it will be enough to off-set the loss even going forward.

You lose Giroux and your #2 center is Cousins. Your #1 is Couturier. Jesus Christ.
- flyer_nutter

If the Flyers were to trade Giroux it would be to a contending team for prospect/picks most likely. It would be to open up cap space to replace him with a UFA.

Thats one argument.

The other question is are you getting as much as you can out of Schenn, Couturier, Simmonds, Voracek and Giroux.

I would see yes to Jake and Simmonds.

Again, not sure how much value Schenn, Coots and G have.
- flyer_nutter

As players they would have a ton of value around the league. When you start adding in salary cap restraints, that clouds the picture.

Good game

Can I also say, I dont know how much I trust Hextall in the trade department. He is strong when it comes to drafts but the Hartnell trade along with some of the FA signings are a little scary.

Fun time to be a fan though. This team is about to undergo a change in direction in my eyes. I dont think he stands pat going forward unless they go on some crazy tear.

I dont think you are getting enough out of Schenn, Coots and G. That is a part of your core that should be giving you more.

Good game
- Streit2ThePoint

Let's eat.

9 straight road losses. That is bottom feeder wussy poop.
- PLindbergh31

They will be rested after the bye week but rusty a excuse Hak can use on his next loss

If the Flyers were to trade Giroux it would be to a contending team for prospect/picks most likely. It would be to open up cap space to replace him with a UFA.
- PLindbergh31

I have a weird fear we see something like Duschene in and G out. Something weird like that.

Personally I just hate the idea of losing G. He's done so much over the years, put into a captain role so early. Carried this team for years when it was basically just him.

I do think he can be a solid #2 centre for years to come.

Good game
- Streit2ThePoint

Only the Devils and Sabres have a worse goal differential in the Eastern Conf.