Overreact much?

Fleecing us in trades? Kane, had he been healthy, is on pace for almost 30 goals. 30 goals, in this day and age, is more like 40-45 in the 80's. How many do those slugs on Winnipeg have, COLLECTIVELY? 8? 9? Collectively. Armia looks more like the career AHLer you describe earlier.

And you know for a fact that all these other gm's go for these scenarios you say would have definitely happened? It's just that easy to make trades and sign free agents, in a league where, a lot of times, trades have to be $ in for $ out, and where most players worth a sh!t don't ever hit free agency. Yeah, Sounds easy to me.

You guys whine and cry that Regier never pulled the trigger, never took a chance, never had any balls. Now we actually have a GM that does/has all these, and he's terrible.

I can't wait until they rattle off 3 in a row, and it'll be rainbows and unicorns again.




- Powerslave

It's a case of "the grass is always greener". Does anyone really miss Tyler Myers and Drew Stafford? I couldn't wait for Stafford to get off the team. In terms of the prospects we gave up, we did empty the cupboards a bit, but people on here make it sound like the end of the world. Yes we are having a disappointing season, but try not to look at the Maple Leafs and say "BUT LOOK, THEY ARE DOING SO MUCH BETTER". If they do make the playoffs, does anyone actually think they are going to go far? Isn't that the overall goal? I wouldn't be surprised if they got swept in the first round. Is the goal to JUST make the playoffs? I honestly would rather miss out on the post season than get swept in the first round. I'd rather get the higher draft pick.

I know Kane is not a favorite player in the eyes of most fans here in Buffalo. I like his game. I think he's the type of forward you need to have when you're making a playoff run. Find me a better forchecker on the team than him. I'm not quite ready to "throw him to Vegas" like others have suggested.

I, for one, like having a GM who will make trades. I hope we trade some UFAs at the deadline this year. I've liked what GMTM has done (for the most part, don't love the Lehner deal). I doubt we make the playoffs this year, and that is okay. It really is. Next year, and I might be singing a different tune.

I know everyone is sick and tired of waiting for the team to be good. I am too. But let this team grow. There is still hope.

No. It's not. How easily people forget what happened two years ago. This team has a TON of potential. In the words of Aaron Rodgers, people need to R-E-L-A-X.
- Sabres4848

Wow, we just have a rash of "new" people lately. That many people getting banned lately?

I kind of feel like you're setting me up with that, making me think you're an optimist, and then WHAM! You go all "LAST PLACE!!!" on us.

Don't be a hater I love my Express, American Eagle jeans abercrombie's fabric too cheap everytime I play basketball and hit the ground they just rip instantly
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I had a pair of Chaps shorts and we were playing that horribly named bean bag throwing game in my friend's driveway and as I bent down to pick them up the shorts ripped ~8" from my groin down. I was wearing boxers, so it's not like I flashed everyone, but I was pissed because I paid like $50 for them just over a month before that happened so I couldn't return them.

I'm not putting anything on Murray. Others are
- Powerslave

Sorry, I was not saying you, just saying.

He tried to make a quick fix and now we're paying for it

Draft and develop ( let's trade all those picks away)
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Point is no traded player or traded pick player could get helping this team today, so you can't say he already butchered it.

I also like his 2016 draft..

But the 2014 draft is looking like a massive failure
- GERBE!!!75PTS

The year he took over half way as a GM (never been that before) and focused on trades? Also, the same draft that has very few players in the Nhl currently? Ok, only Murray had a horrible draft, got it. There are top 10 players drafted not making an impact in Nhl (yet) and we are going to grill Murray on his picks after 44? Wow!

It's a case of "the grass is always greener". Does anyone really miss Tyler Myers and Drew Stafford? I couldn't wait for Stafford to get off the team. In terms of the prospects we gave up, we did empty the cupboards a bit, but people on here make it sound like the end of the world. Yes we are having a disappointing season, but try not to look at the Maple Leafs and say "BUT LOOK, THEY ARE DOING SO MUCH BETTER". If they do make the playoffs, does anyone actually think they are going to go far? Isn't that the overall goal? I wouldn't be surprised if they got swept in the first round. Is the goal to JUST make the playoffs? I honestly would rather miss out on the post season than get swept in the first round. I'd rather get the higher draft pick.

I know Kane is not a favorite player in the eyes of most fans here in Buffalo. I like his game. I think he's the type of forward you need to have when you're making a playoff run. Find me a better forchecker on the team than him. I'm not quite ready to "throw him to Vegas" like others have suggested.

I, for one, like having a GM who will make trades. I hope we trade some UFAs at the deadline this year. I've liked what GMTM has done (for the most part, don't love the Lehner deal). I doubt we make the playoffs this year, and that is okay. It really is. Next year, and I might be singing a different tune.

I know everyone is sick and tired of waiting for the team to be good. I am too. But let this team grow. There is still hope.
- Sabres4848

I like this. We are building a Stanley cup contender not just a playoff team. That takes time. Look at Tampa Bay, was in Stanley cup last year and they have injuries to their top 2 players and are not in playoffs (if started today) and have less future potential than us yet we are crying over here. Didn't we lose our best 2 players for a while (and a lot of other guys too)? Drafted players are not busts because they don't crack Nhl lineups at 18-22, be patient.

Botched? What did he do to botch it?

- Lilroot9

Included Armia/Lemieux in Myers trade.

Blew a draft pick on the Vesey episode.

Traded a first for Lehner.

Hired the wrong coach.

Trading McNabb for Fasching/Deslauriers.

All you have to do is drive an hour or so up the QEW to witness how to properly rebuild a team. Shanahan & Lameriello are getting it done for MLSE.

I don't entirely blame this on GMTM. It starts at the top with Pegula.

We need a President of Hockey Ops for GMTM to report to. If we had such a person, maybe some of the mistakes don't get made.

Particularly TRADING A 1st ROUND PICK to a DIVISION RIVAL that just happens to be managed by GMTM's UNCLE for an unproven goalie. Colin White is going to be a thorn in our side for a decade or more.

Included Armia/Lemieux in Myers trade.

Blew a draft pick on the Vesey episode.

Traded a first for Lehner.

Hired the wrong coach.

Trading McNabb for Fasching/Deslauriers.

All you have to do is drive an hour or so up the QEW to witness how to properly rebuild a team. Shanahan & Lameriello are getting it done for MLSE.

I don't entirely blame this on GMTM. It starts at the top with Pegula.

We need a President of Hockey Ops for GMTM to report to. If we had such a person, maybe some of the mistakes don't get made.

Particularly TRADING A 1st ROUND PICK to a DIVISION RIVAL that just happens to be managed by GMTM's UNCLE for an unproven goalie. Colin White is going to be a thorn in our side for a decade or more.
- Losman

You have to give up to get, lemiuex so far is nothing to write home about, same with Armia who way further along in his development.

5% of 3rd round picks make the NHL, so not that worried about that.

Your beloved Leafs traded a 1st and (2) 2nd round picks for a goalie that they have a $5m cap hit.

The McNabb trade might be bad, but the jury is still out on Fasching. None of the those are going to break the franchise. The coach could effect this year, but could be fixed without further assets. Go be a Leafs fan if you bindly think everything they are doing use perfect. Like you know tanking for a 1st overall pick, which we did but did not get, but that is Murrays fault, I know, right?

Anybody know a good place to buy Levi jeans?

Went to the blvd mall today and none of the stores had the kind I wear, now I'm on their website and most of them are sold out
- chilliard77

if youre still looking...this is going to sound crazy but target has jeans called "denizen by levi" and the slim straight fit are the best jeans i have ever found.

You have to give up to get, lemiuex so far is nothing to write home about, same with Armia who way further along in his development.

5% of 3rd round picks make the NHL, so not that worried about that.

Your beloved Leafs traded a 1st and (2) 2nd round picks for a goalie that they have a $5m cap hit.

The McNabb trade might be bad, but the jury is still out on Fasching. None of the those are going to break the franchise. The coach could effect this year, but could be fixed without further assets. Go be a Leafs fan if you bindly think everything they are doing use perfect. Like you know tanking for a 1st overall pick, which we did but did not get, but that is Murrays fault, I know, right?
- Lilroot9

Had GMTM been more patient we might have more prospects, fewer bad contracts, and perhaps Laine or Mathews depending upon where we would have finished with a younger lineup last year.

I don't like the Leafs, but I watch their team and envy what they are now and what they are on path to become.

We are a mess right now, and are no sure thing to be a contender going forward.

And I'm not sure I would call what the Leafs did last year tanking. The 2015-2016 Leafs actually improved by 1 point over the previous season and had 15 more points than the tanking Sabres of 2014-2015. They also had Mike Babcock coaching them, not a lame duck who was left hung out to dry by his GM like Ted Nolan was.

Had GMTM been more patient we might have more prospects, fewer bad contracts, and perhaps Laine or Mathews depending upon where we would have finished with a younger lineup last year.

I don't like the Leafs, but I watch their team and envy what they are now and what they are on path to become.

We are a mess right now, and are no sure thing to be a contender going forward.
- Losman

pure guessing we might have one of those, sure we always want more top 3 picks, but when does that stop? I will say it, the leafs are winning because their coach plays them together (most of the time if not all), the younger "stars" , and lets them be creative and did not expect much this year. If anything it's the coach not because we did not continue to lose with younger players.

If we did not make the Kane/bogo trade, we might not have gotten Eichel, so be careful which part of history you think we could have altered (but not effect the others apparently).

Trading McNabb for Fasching/Deslauriers.

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- Losman

actually it was 2 second rd picks and mcnabb for them

He's got 16 points for Christ's sake. He'd be tied for 11th in scoring on Montreal, an actual good team.

He's had a great streak that won't continue, and he will be hurt or suspended before you can say Track Suit
- sbroads24

Jesus you're brutal when it comes to spinning his stats. Tell us again about his 35 points last year. That's one of your greatest hits.

actually it was 2 second rd picks and mcnabb for them
- homiedclown

I've never seen a GM just waste 2nd round picks like he has

I've never seen a GM just waste 2nd round picks like he has
- GERBE!!!75PTS

he has only traded away 4 second rd picks

2 for fasching plus
1 for gorges
1 in the package to get ror

if people want to look how great Tim Murray did at drafting

Ottawa Senators 2010- 2013

Here are the players that are core players Lazar (2013), Ceci(2012) Zibanejad (2011) , stone (2010)
the rest bust and some energy players
- GERBE!!!75PTS

And somehow you forgot to mention Puempel, Pageau and Prince, all NHL'ers. So 7 guys over a small sample size of 4 years. I wouldn't say that's awful. Another fact: His 2011 draft in Ottawa he picked 10 players and 8 of them have seen NHL time. Regier's 2010 and 2011 draft combined has netted 4 players with NHL time out of 15 and two of them (Lieuwen and Cat) have done zip.

bailey (1 goal and 1 helper) and ullmark (37 saves) lead rochester to a 3-2 win over toronto last night

And somehow you forgot to mention Puempel, Pageau and Prince, all NHL'ers. So 7 guys over a small sample size of 4 years. I wouldn't say that's awful. Another fact: His 2011 draft in Ottawa he picked 10 players and 8 of them have seen NHL time. Regier's 2010 and 2011 draft combined has netted 4 players with NHL time out of 15 and two of them (Lieuwen and Cat) have done zip.
- mhp

if you want scary bad, look at the bruins drafting since seguin

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00004919.html

if you want scary bad, look at the bruins drafting since seguin
- homiedclown

Yeah I imagine that isn't very good. If there is a criticism of Murray his 2014 draft at this point stinks. Reinhart is it. He traded Lemieux, Cornel is a bust and maybe Johansson and Karabacek might see the NHL and thst's a big maybe.

Yeah I imagine that isn't very good. If there is a criticism of Murray his 2014 draft at this point stinks. Reinhart is it. He traded Lemieux, Cornel is a bust and maybe Johansson and Karabacek might see the NHL and thst's a big maybe.
- mhp

Johansson

if you want scary bad, look at the bruins drafting since seguin

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00004919.html
- homiedclown

Carlo, Pastrnak and Spooner but that's about. McAvoy, Subban, Zbroil and DeBrusk should see the NHL but their '13 and '14 drafts weren't good.

I've never seen a GM just waste 2nd round picks like he has
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Well, since draft pick success depends on round, as follows:
1st round =65%.
2nd round = 25%
3rd round = 12%

It would follow that GMTM should be allowed to use 4 2nds to find 1 NHL caliber player. If his hit rate through trades using 2nds is less than that, one could say he would generally be better to use the pick himself rather than trade it.
Similarity, he could use 8 3rds to find 1 NHLer.

Using that data driven logic, rather than irrational emotional reaction, I think the jury is still out.
Also, using a 3rd to secure the rights to negotiate with Vessey, a top 6 player not a scrub 4th line grinder is actually pure genius and well worth the risk...in fact he should do that about 12 times before the break-even point.

But I digress...facts!

Johansson

- homiedclown

I think he's playing in the SHL now. He should be signing his ELC soon.

You have to give up to get, lemiuex so far is nothing to write home about, same with Armia who way further along in his development.

5% of 3rd round picks make the NHL, so not that worried about that.

Your beloved Leafs traded a 1st and (2) 2nd round picks for a goalie that they have a $5m cap hit.

The McNabb trade might be bad, but the jury is still out on Fasching. None of the those are going to break the franchise. The coach could effect this year, but could be fixed without further assets. Go be a Leafs fan if you bindly think everything they are doing use perfect. Like you know tanking for a 1st overall pick, which we did but did not get, but that is Murrays fault, I know, right?
- Lilroot9

Andersen was traded for a 1st (30th pick) and (1) not (2) 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft