12 Eric Lindros'
5 Chris Pronger's
1 Radko Gudas
2 Ron Hextall's
- Nucker101

There can only ever be one Radko Gudas in the world at a time.

But no two players are ever the same are they? It's a bit of a fiction that 2 players are identical in every way but size and that all things actually are equal save for that. Skill and ability manifest in a zillion ways that it never just comes down to that -- or it'd be an easy hockey world we live in.

I'm not one to discredit big guys who can get things done down low. I want those guys too. I'm also not one to undervalue smaller players. Unfortunately, more to the point, many in the hockey world do overvalue size to the extent they overlook other glaring weaknesses that make them a worse player/prospect for the sake of it. We know it happens constantly. Ideally you have both types with their own strengths and weaknesses, because that's typically how it breaks down, barring a handful of stars.

For the Flyers, I see a lot of big bodies on the team (in terms of their core guys) and some big body prospects good at forechecking and strong 2-way. I don't see enough offensive catalysts. And watching this team that need is #1 long term. Flyers forwards forecheck and battle and are dedicated 2-way, but there is a lack of skill and creativity and scoring that has plagued this team for a few years. And this draft, as always, everyone here will go gaga over some 6'4" guy like Riley Tufte or Julien Gauthier, despite their weaknesses and despite the team's weaknesses. That's what irks me.
- Mononoke

I think that players can have similar skill sets, and that size can the main difference between them. Are their skills sets identical? No, but is their net effect? Yes. I'm sure one could go through any team's decision to sign/trade for/draft two players and have size be the main reason a player was selected over another.

Also, one has to look at the deficiencies of each skater. Is the big guy a 'dumb oaf' who just dominates players because he's bigger? Is the little guy making it through hockey sense and skill?

I just want to dumpster dive and claim ALL the thrown-away Boyd Gordons
- Mononoke

One can find used condoms practically anywhere these days.

But no two players are ever the same are they? It's a bit of a fiction that 2 players are identical in every way but size and that all things actually are equal save for that. Skill and ability manifest in a zillion ways that it never just comes down to that -- or it'd be an easy hockey world we live in.

I'm not one to discredit big guys who can get things done down low. I want those guys too. I'm also not one to undervalue smaller players. Unfortunately, more to the point, many in the hockey world do overvalue size to the extent they overlook other glaring weaknesses that make them a worse player/prospect for the sake of it. We know it happens constantly. Ideally you have both types with their own strengths and weaknesses, because that's typically how it breaks down, barring a handful of stars.

For the Flyers, I see a lot of big bodies on the team (in terms of their core guys) and some big body prospects good at forechecking and strong 2-way. I don't see enough offensive catalysts. And watching this team that need is #1 long term. Flyers forwards forecheck and battle and are dedicated 2-way, but there is a lack of skill and creativity and scoring that has plagued this team for a few years. And this draft, as always, everyone here will go gaga over some 6'4" guy like Riley Tufte or Julien Gauthier, despite their weaknesses and despite the team's weaknesses. That's what irks me.
- Mononoke

Very much agree that "offensive catalyst" is the big hole on the club. G is aging, and other than him you have Jake/Konecny.

After that its a bunch of two way ditch diggers. The issue I have with the ditch diggers, is most aren't even that good at it. VDV, Belle, Cousins, Read, hell and throw in Weise because he's only played well for a handful of games. There is very little edge, or ability to wear teams down on the wall. They are just guys. Bodies.

I dont think they are a dirt slow club, but they can't transition fast effectively because 3 of the damn forwards know how to carry the puck more than 5 feet consistently.

There can only ever be one Radko Gudas in the world at a time.
- Mordecai

One can find used condoms practically anywhere these days.
- flyer_nutter

How often does this happen? That two guys are EXACTLY the same in skill.
- PhillySportsGuy

ok so comparable skill. feel better with that wording

Gordon on waivers


- YuenglingJagr

Friggin Hilarious!!

That post really tied the room together!!

BTW is Gordon alone enough to get under the cap?

VDV could not even crack an oilers lineup that sucked....

Case closed!

Time for new youngblood!

BTW is Gordon alone enough to get under the cap?
- nastyflyergirl

I think someone posted Hextall says it is.

VDV could not even crack an oilers lineup that sucked....

Case closed!

Time for new youngblood!
- Konalover

BTW is Gordon alone enough to get under the cap?
- nastyflyergirl

yes

Trivia (no Google, please):

How did the Flyers acquire Roman Vopat, and what team did he come from?
- jmatchett383

A bag of pucks and a zamboni to the Czech republic or some Oligarchy like that for signing rights...

- dragonoffrost

litrly

If I had the choice between 2 equal players in all skill and one is 5"10 185 and the other is 6'2 210 I am picking the 6'2 player.
- nastyflyergirl

Hence, size matters!!

- dragonoffrost

NOOOOOOOOOO NOT that youngblood...shoot i knew it when i pressed submit....

Meant Young Blood....

I think that players can have similar skill sets, and that size can the main difference between them. Are their skills sets identical? No, but is their net effect? Yes. I'm sure one could go through any team's decision to sign/trade for/draft two players and have size be the main reason a player was selected over another.

Also, one has to look at the deficiencies of each skater. Is the big guy a 'dumb oaf' who just dominates players because he's bigger? Is the little guy making it through hockey sense and skill?
- VladDrag

I do want to be clear that a smaller or average sized player who is a prolific scorer in juniors can have deficiencies or a fatal flaw that prevents them from being a pro, just as any of those big, "tools" guys who have flaws that some will fill in with their imagination. I don't particularly like Alex DeBrincat. I also don't like Julien Gauthier. I like Clayton Keller; I like Tage Thompson. I really try my best to evaluate each player as an individual and not overweigh any one area. Truthfully, possessing raw "skill" can be no better than possessing raw "size," if other important areas are lacking. In the hockey community though, it's usually the latter that is more the issue, and you rarely see average sized players that were over-drafted at the time based purely on skill.

So some will maybe go a little too far the other way to compensate for the general hockey world. But you can't see all these brilliant young scorers with crazy skills and quick feet and minds who are passed over for lower ceiling big guys, become stars, wonder why they fell, and then do the same thing in future drafts. Sometimes guys explode afterwards, but oftentimes all the signs are there.

One can find used condoms practically anywhere these days.
- flyer_nutter

not after planned parenthood is defunded here in the USA

Only 1 Price, other 2Real would lose his mind over which Price to keep and which one to trade
- Nucker101

you keep Price and trade Price duh

NOOOOOOOOOO NOT that youngblood...shoot i knew it when i pressed submit....

Meant Young Blood....
- Konalover

Yep you walked right into that one.

but really I want someone to play like this guy



Or this line...

A bag of pucks and a zamboni to the Czech republic or some Oligarchy like that for signing rights...
- Konalover

Nope.

Nope.
- jmatchett383

Some dude

Some dude
- dragonoffrost

America was now discovered in 1942 by "some guy", and our country isn’t called America anymore, it’s Bonerland."