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phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:58 PM ET
Dunno.

Ultimately, the end result is the same, whether he's truly "hurt" or "injured" or whatever.

Maybe he's banged up, healthy enough to play, but not healthy enough to be effective, I don't know.

- johndewar


I dunno. I think Hakstol is just using his healthy scratch as a tool again. Said Gudas needs to be more consistent.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:01 PM ET
I dunno. I think Hakstol is just using his healthy scratch as a tool again. Said Gudas needs to be more consistent.
- phatpat44

Hakstol has set a precedent for consistently bad being favorable to sometimes (often) good/sometimes bad
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 12 @ 4:01 PM ET
Well, it has 2 different colored eyes and 6 toes/pads on each foot.
- Fryman4

Heterochromia and polydactyl.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 4:01 PM ET
And Laughton doesn't get PP time why???? Because Andy miele is better? HMMMM
Brilliant retort and player analysis my friend.
Laughton can't beat out a scrub! Bring him up now with his scary talent that cannot get him PP mins.

- Konalover



Contrary to popular belief, coaching decisions and player usage is different in the AHL for developing players, than it would be in the NHL. Coaches will sometimes place a player in situations that help him develop the skills he needs to improve to be a better NHL player. For example, if a defenseman is a very talented offensive defenseman, they will frequently keep him off of the PP, and play him in defensive situations, to get that player to concentrate on those areas of his game. It's not always about who is the better player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 4:02 PM ET
Hakstol has set a precedent for consistently bad being favorable to sometimes (often) good/sometimes bad
- YuenglingJagr


We call that the "VandeMac"
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
Heterochromia and polydactyl.
- bodiva88


That just sounds dirty
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
Flyers scouting Avalanche tonight.

Canes sending advisor Joe Nieuwendyk to scout same game. Not sure who Flyers sent.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
My view was that he would be given another chance at center essentially (hence why he's playing there) and if that doesnt work out again next year would be a chance to let him play wing. Developmentally, I think that is probably the way to go, but it certainly condenses the time frame in which he would have to begin showing results at wing. Anyway, I see myself as more optimistic than you, for sure. I want him here now. Not in a oh my god we would be so much better way, but in a I highly doubt the team would be much worse way.
- YuenglingJagr


If I understand you correctly, you're saying Laughton should come up and replace Couturier as 2C. I agree.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
Well he kind of has to be on the team next year due to waivers. If he doesn't make it out of camp, then it's the AHL for the season. That's not good. If he does make it due to waivers reasons and they see much of the same throughout camp and the beginning of the season.....reality sets in. You don't want him in a Jordan Weal situation where he sits all year in the press box of the NHL team. Then it might be best to just decide that if he develops into anything, it might just have to be elsewhere and try to get some value out of him.
- Mononoke


I don't think the Flyers would do that. They're not doing it with Cousins.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:06 PM ET
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— Ben Kuzma (@benkuzma) January 12, 2017


YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:06 PM ET
If I understand you correctly, you're saying Laughton should come up and replace Couturier as 2C. I agree.
- Mononoke

STAT
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
Flyers scouting Avalanche tonight.

Canes sending advisor Joe Nieuwendyk to scout same game. Not sure who Flyers sent.

- BINGO!


Dave Brown!

Nieuwendyk is going down!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
I don't think the Flyers would do that. They're not doing it with Cousins.
- Feanor

They're not?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 12 @ 4:08 PM ET
Flyers scouting Avalanche tonight.

Canes sending advisor Joe Nieuwendyk to scout same game. Not sure who Flyers sent.

- BINGO!


Probably Dave Brown.

OUR SCOUT CAN TOTALLY BEAT UP YOUR SCOUT!

/takes hit off of asthma inhaler
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
Probably Dave Brown.

OUR SCOUT CAN TOTALLY BEAT UP YOUR SCOUT!

/takes hit off of asthma inhaler

- johndewar

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
I dunno. I think Hakstol is just using his healthy scratch as a tool again. Said Gudas needs to be more consistent.
- phatpat44


Gudas' inconsistency could be the result of playing hurt.

I think it's much ado over nothing.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
Probably Dave Brown.

OUR SCOUT CAN TOTALLY BEAT UP YOUR SCOUT!

/takes hit off of asthma inhaler

- johndewar

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
They're not?
- YuenglingJagr


He's already played 34 games.

Weal only got 10 in his last half season in LA.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:14 PM ET
I don't think the Flyers would do that. They're not doing it with Cousins.
- Feanor


I think they view Cousins as more of an NHL player than Laughton. To my viewing, Cousins actually thinks the game at an NHL pace. Laughton never has. That's a big issue. Plus, Cousins is the only one waiver eligible. They have some wiggle room right now. And Cousins isn't even a regular either, missing a bunch of their games. He very well could be gone himself by 2018, if he's not taken in the draft.

Laughton has over 100 games in the NHL. They did a lot of work and demoted a super reliable, wild and crazy defenseman to get him a spot out of training camp. They thought he was ready. He played a full season. Now he's in the AHL for the year likely. Nothing has gone according to plan with Laughton, and they can be patient all they want. And that's good; there's no need to be hasty today. I said in 2018 a final decision becomes more likely. Also, come next year, Leier needs a spot too due to waivers. Is Cousins still here? So, if all 3 are on the team, there are only so many spots. Decisions can't go on indefinitely when prospects reach this age. Given they're basically throwing the kitchen sink at Laughton at this juncture, and have already erred once in his evaluating as an NHL player, I don't think they're not concerned.
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jan 12 @ 4:15 PM ET
Heterochromia and polydactyl.
- bodiva88

I knew the polydactyl term, but I had heard diocrhomatic. I think both work.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 4:17 PM ET
I think it's evident that they view Cousins as more of an NHL player than Laughton.
- Mononoke


They do right now. For most of last year they did not, even though Cousins is a year older.

Things change quickly.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:19 PM ET
They do right now. For most of last year they did not, even though Cousins is a year older.

Things change quickly.

- Feanor


So you are saying the situation is very fluid.

Like it's taking on water?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 12 @ 4:21 PM ET
I would say Ghost is projected as the worst balanced prospect coming up through the pipeline, although after a solid start, Brandon Manning has returned to crap. I wouldn't trade Ghost until we absolutely need to and this should be after the current crop of kids enter the league.

I personally would have trade Streit last summer. I'm disappointed that we've played things out with him for this long. Too long.

- SuperSchennBros


A healthy Streit would have more value at the deadline than last summer in my opinion because most of his salary/cap hit would have been paid/used against the cap
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 4:21 PM ET
He's already played 34 games.

Weal only got 10 in his last half season in LA.

- Feanor

It has to be based on games played? It is clear right now that Cousins is the odd man out and is missing out on playing time because of preferences to other players. Even when he is playing it is being bounced around a lot. Yeah he played in more games than Jordan Weal, but the Flyers were also playing very well last year and there wasn't much of a reason to experiment with Weal. It has been recently (i.e. coots/read being healthy) but since then it has been obvious. He hasn't played in 2017 yet.

Fun fact he played in all 10 games of the win streak
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 4:21 PM ET
So you are saying the situation is very fluid.

Like it's taking on water?

- dragonoffrost


Oh it's leaking like a Russian whore.
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