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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 3:17 PM ET
Radko Gudas is a healthy scratch? Why? I don't get that.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:19 PM ET
Radko Gudas is a healthy scratch? Why? I don't get that.
- MJL


Bill is saying he has minor nagging injuries. So I'd call it a maintenance day against an opponent that it makes sense to do so against more than a healthy scratch.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:20 PM ET
Sorry, you can only have one of them. Ghost or Sanheim. Pick a side or get caught in the crossfire.
- PhillySportsGuy


They don't play anything alike other than they're both skilled offensive puck movers with some fine d instincts too. Sanheim join rushes; Ghost prefers to lead them. Sanheim passes and architects plays; Ghost shoots and finishes them. Sanheim is a more fluid player; Ghost is lightning quick. Sanheim has better instincts in the o-zone; Ghost has better instincts outside the o-zone.

Honestly, and this come from watching him a lot, it's Myers that I think is the 6'5" version of Gostisbehere. At least his game as it is now...I don't know what gets coached out, but I hope not much. I can't get the comparison out of my head, and I find it a little eerie.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 3:20 PM ET
Gudas is the #2 d-man on this team after Provorov.

He was the #1 last year.

- flyer_nutter



Del Zotto was the #1 last year, until he got hurt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:24 PM ET
Can it do anything cool?
- YuenglingJagr


Of course it can, it's a cat

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 12 @ 3:27 PM ET
Radko Gudas is a healthy scratch? Why? I don't get that.
- MJL


because I just added him to my fantasy team..... of course he's a scratch.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:28 PM ET
Radko Gudas is a healthy scratch? Why? I don't get that.
- MJL


Because he touches himself in the bathroom.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 12 @ 3:28 PM ET
Radko Gudas is a healthy scratch? Why? I don't get that.
- MJL

I guess its being called a "not so healthy" scratch now..
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 12 @ 3:36 PM ET
Bill is saying he has minor nagging injuries. So I'd call it a maintenance day against an opponent that it makes sense to do so against more than a healthy scratch.
- dragonoffrost


In a league where "Upper Body Injury" and "Lower Body Injury" are acceptable injury descriptors, it shouldn't be that big of a leap of logic to assume that coaches and GMs would play fast and loose with what a "healthy" scratch is.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 3:40 PM ET
By that logic we bring in an equally inept non scoring center to our 3rd 4th line so we remain the same as now?
- konalover711


Laughton scores at twice the rate in the NHL as Bellemare does.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jan 12 @ 3:41 PM ET
Can it do anything cool?
- YuenglingJagr

Well, it has 2 different colored eyes and 6 toes/pads on each foot.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 3:41 PM ET
It would honestly surprise me more if he was a Flyer a year from now than if he was not.

He can work on all the things he wants down there. He has over 100 NHL games and over years has presented the same exact issues across multiple seasons. There has been zero growth in those areas. He's turning 23. I'm hesitant to just completely write him off because things happen, even at that age, but this "he's gonna be a 3C or 4C" talk.....he's barely shown he's an NHL player at this point, and his center-ice work has been a disaster. He can look fine in the AHL all he wants -- but he hasn't even looked close to dominant down there. At this point, I expect nothing out of him and we'll work up from there.

(And his shooting ability would actually probably be good on the PP if they ever once tried it. It always struck me as odd why they've never tried it, except a short bit under Berube.)

- Mononoke


Unless Vegas takes him I expect him to be on the team next season. Hextall has shown a lot of patience with prospects.
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:42 PM ET
In a league where "Upper Body Injury" and "Lower Body Injury" are acceptable injury descriptors, it shouldn't be that big of a leap of logic to assume that coaches and GMs would play fast and loose with what a "healthy" scratch is.
- johndewar



Why wasn't he a healthy scratch last time then?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 12 @ 3:43 PM ET
Well luckily for you the same old material is only going to last until a Cup is won. So you figure swiss time is running out on my "routine" right?
- PLindbergh31


I think you'll realize you're not really a fan of the team and give up trolling the people who actually enjoy it when the Flyers win games sooner than that.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:44 PM ET
Well, it has 2 different colored eyes and 6 toes/pads on each foot.
- Fryman4

Hmmmm...I'll pass. Would've made an offer if it knew how to retrieve a roll of toilet paper.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:48 PM ET
GWG for Van by #5...
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:50 PM ET
Unless Vegas takes him I expect him to be on the team next season. Hextall has shown a lot of patience with prospects.
- Feanor


Well he kind of has to be on the team next year due to waivers. If he doesn't make it out of camp, then it's the AHL for the season. That's not good. If he does make it due to waivers reasons and they see much of the same throughout camp and the beginning of the season.....reality sets in. You don't want him in a Jordan Weal situation where he sits all year in the press box of the NHL team. Then it might be best to just decide that if he develops into anything, it might just have to be elsewhere and try to get some value out of him.

He might get dibs on 4C or something next year, at least first crack. But he has shown so far he struggles to play at the NHL pace, and he struggles mightily defensively. He's actually got some latent offensive abilities, but nowhere near good enough to offset. I thought maybe if he had a chance it would be at wing, where his flaws were covered up better. But now they have him at center. There's a vibe with Laughton that they simply don't know what to do with him, and they're just hoping for something to emerge out of him in the next 9-12 months. You're more optimistic than me.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:52 PM ET
Hmmmm...I'll pass. Would've made an offer if it knew how to retrieve a roll of toilet paper.
- YuenglingJagr


Define "retrieve."
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 3:53 PM ET
GWG for Van by #5...
- dragonoffrost


Sbisa?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:55 PM ET
Define "retrieve."
- jmatchett383

To keep a long story short, let's just say my great grandmother was a special cat, and home hasn't been the same without her
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jan 12 @ 3:55 PM ET
Hmmmm...I'll pass. Would've made an offer if it knew how to retrieve a roll of toilet paper.
- YuenglingJagr

He is also deaf. If that counts for anything.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 12 @ 3:55 PM ET
Why wasn't he a healthy scratch last time then?
- phatpat44


Dunno.

Ultimately, the end result is the same, whether he's truly "hurt" or "injured" or whatever.

Maybe he's banged up, healthy enough to play, but not healthy enough to be effective, I don't know.

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:56 PM ET
Laughton scores at twice the rate in the NHL as Bellemare does.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

- Feanor


Yeah but Bellemare offsets being the worst scoring forward per game in the entire league over the last 3 years by being great defensively
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:58 PM ET
Sbisa?
- jmatchett383

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:58 PM ET
Well he kind of has to be on the team next year due to waivers. If he doesn't make it out of camp, then it's the AHL for the season. That's not good. If he does make it due to waivers reasons and they see much of the same throughout camp and the beginning of the season.....reality sets in. You don't want him in a Jordan Weal situation where he sits all year in the press box of the NHL team. Then it might be best to just decide that if he develops into anything, it might just have to be elsewhere and try to get some value out of him.

He might get dibs on 4C or something next year, at least first crack. But he has shown so far he struggles to play at the NHL pace, and he struggles mightily defensively. He's actually got some latent offensive abilities, but nowhere near good enough to offset. I thought maybe if he had a chance it would be at wing, where his flaws were covered up better. But now they have him at center. There's a vibe with Laughton that they simply don't know what to do with him. You're more optimistic than me.

- Mononoke


My view was that he would be given another chance at center essentially (hence why he's playing there) and if that doesnt work out again next year would be a chance to let him play wing. Developmentally, I think that is probably the way to go, but it certainly condenses the time frame in which he would have to begin showing results at wing. Anyway, I see myself as more optimistic than you, for sure. I want him here now. Not in a oh my god we would be so much better way, but in a I highly doubt the team would be much worse way.
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