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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 12 @ 12:44 PM ET
Gudas as surprising as it may be to fans of opposing teams is one of the best dmen on the team at generating chances by getting point shots on net and being able to skate and make a transitional pass. Replacing him with Streit is a downgrade IMO.

We all know who needed to be replaced but whats the use anymore understanding the lineup decisions.

- SeaIslelandLush


Bill has mentioned elsewhere that Gudas is pretty banged up, despite being characterized as a "healthy scratch".
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 12 @ 12:44 PM ET
If the Flyers had a 2 on 0 breakaway right now, they'd end up flubbing it by passing it back and forth because both guys would want to defer.
- johndewar


so you are saying this is going to be a REALLY EXCITING game?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 12 @ 12:45 PM ET
From a numbers perspective, it will be hard. But I think he's actually gotten better in some aspects this year. Just been so unlucky.
- JFlyers00


Just your typical sophomore slump. It's magnified because of how perfect his season was last year.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 12:46 PM ET
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jan 12 @ 12:46 PM ET
If the Flyers had a 2 on 0 breakaway right now, they'd end up flubbing it by passing it back and forth because both guys would want to defer.
- johndewar


Well to be fair, if you want to make a comment like that you have to include the other team will go back the other way and score on a short side shot from the blueline.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 12 @ 12:47 PM ET
I kinda want him to get traded just to watch these (frank)faces complain about how the Flyers can't get out of their own end.
- PhillySportsGuy




And even if the other D prospects do pan out, it will just allow Ghost to feast on lesser competition.

What kind of deal would you be looking to sign him to in the off season?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 12:47 PM ET
I kinda want him to get traded just to watch these (frank)faces complain about how the Flyers can't get out of their own end.
- PhillySportsGuy

and female dog about another former flyer succeeding elsewhere
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 12 @ 12:48 PM ET
From a numbers perspective, it will be hard. But I think he's actually gotten better in some aspects this year. Just been so unlucky.
- JFlyers00

yeah...i was referring to offensive point production. he is still doing a lot of things the same. He was shooting an absolutely absurd like 25% for the first 2 weeks or so he was here.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
Just relax. No one wants to trade Ghost now. God forbid we talk about the future of the team.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 12 @ 12:50 PM ET

- YuenglingJagr



Haaaaaaa
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 12:52 PM ET

- YuenglingJagr


???
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 12 @ 12:53 PM ET
???
- jmatchett383

Those are chargers...
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 12 @ 12:53 PM ET
Great Blog!

Given how pathetic the Canucks PP has looked as of late, I am going to say 3-2 Philly tonight.

- Codes1087

4-1 Philly.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 12 @ 12:54 PM ET
Good to see overreaction mode is still in high gear
- dragonoffrost



Philly Buzz will never change
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:54 PM ET
Do not underestimate the Flyers ability to not show up for games like this.
- Mordecai



This is exactly where I'm at. Looks like the canucks have played pretty well of late, and I totally expect us not to show up at all for a game they really need to win.. similar to their effort in Buffalo.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 12:56 PM ET
Just relax. No one wants to trade Ghost now. God forbid we talk about the future of the team.
- Just5


I think Ghost brings a dynamic that is unique. He can, at times, be a one-man transition machine. He hasn't collected the goals like he did last year, but he's still capable of being a one-man highlight reel. Provorov, Sanheim, and Myers all seem like they'll be able to produce offensively at the pro level, but I think Ghost does have skills that those 3 don't make redundant. If anything, the combo of Ghost and Provorov make Sanheim's skills redundant.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 12:56 PM ET
Those are chargers...
- BINGO!


???

Edit:
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 12 @ 12:56 PM ET


And even if the other D prospects do pan out, it will just allow Ghost to feast on lesser competition.

What kind of deal would you be looking to sign him to in the off season?

- JFlyers00


Something long-term to keep the cap hit down. His bad luck this year could help in negotiations. I still feel like he's bound to have a month where he just goes nuts and gets a ton of points.

It just amazes me that people are willing to trade such a dynamic player because of some bad luck and a bunch of unproven prospects. He's shown to be a great offensive player who excels in the most important areas of the game. He's certainly rough around the edges, but there is so much potential there. Why would you trade a guy like that? If he ever reaches his potential, you'll never get equal value unless you're going after some really young, unproven player.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 12 @ 12:57 PM ET
and female dog about another former flyer succeeding elsewhere
- YuenglingJagr


Homer at it again!
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 12 @ 1:00 PM ET
We lost in OT, while on the PP, on a 2 on 0 breakaway last game.....
- Codes1087



haha I didn't know that,,.Ok.. you win until we mess tonight up. I'm scared to watch.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 1:02 PM ET
Let's be clear...Ghost is not getting traded anytime soon
- YuenglingJagr


That's what we all said when Carter signed his 10 year deal
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 12 @ 1:05 PM ET
Something long-term to keep the cap hit down. His bad luck this year could help in negotiations. I still feel like he's bound to have a month where he just goes nuts and gets a ton of points.

It just amazes me that people are willing to trade such a dynamic player because of some bad luck and a bunch of unproven prospects. He's shown to be a great offensive player who excels in the most important areas of the game. He's certainly rough around the edges, but there is so much potential there. Why would you trade a guy like that? If he ever reaches his potential, you'll never get equal value unless you're going after some really young, unproven player.

- PhillySportsGuy


Because for all the reasons you mentioned the player has value. Looking out we're assuming that Sanheim and Myers are going to be solid two way defensemen who can play on the PP and PK. They are projecting that way. Sanheim certainly is showing he'll have every bit of the ability to carry the puck up the ice the way ghost does with the potential to be faster. Myers can do this too with a big shot. These prospects aren't as green as they once were.

Me personally I want to get bigger and longer on the back end, so I have a greater interest in keeping those types of players to go with 6'0" provorov and 6'0" Gudas the only other 2 dmen that are going to be around for awhile.

Talking about trading ghost doesn't mean fans think he sucks or take his game for granted. Its about making decisions on how to round out the roster and filling in some obvious holes in the forward ranks.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 12 @ 1:05 PM ET
That's what we all said when Carter signed his 10 year deal
- Streit2ThePoint


I think the real question here is have you bought a Ghost jersey yet?
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Jan 12 @ 1:06 PM ET
I think Ghost brings a dynamic that is unique. He can, at times, be a one-man transition machine. He hasn't collected the goals like he did last year, but he's still capable of being a one-man highlight reel. Provorov, Sanheim, and Myers all seem like they'll be able to produce offensively at the pro level, but I think Ghost does have skills that those 3 don't make redundant. If anything, the combo of Ghost and Provorov make Sanheim's skills redundant.
- jmatchett383


I view it the other way around. That's to say that Sanheim and Myers make the impact in the NHL that we all want them to do. But, obviously there are so many what if's in a situation like this, so it's hard to say exactly what will happen.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 12 @ 1:08 PM ET
I view it the other way around. That's to say that Sanheim and Myers make the impact in the NHL that we all want them to do. But, obviously there are so many what if's in a situation like this, so it's hard to say exactly what will happen.
- VladDrag


I agree. Until Sanheim and/or Myers prove they can deliver at the NHL level, there should be no thoughts on trading Ghost.
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