Definitely some differences and factors in there but its true we are probably undervaluing JVR, but to be honest lately the "blog world" going rate for a #2 defensmen is Crosby+OV when they were 24.
- BKups

It's strange to see but I think a lot of people are seriously undervaluing JVR based on him being "soft".

I looked at the top 30 scorers this year and don't think any of them are available. Most make a poop load more than JVR does too.

Imagine a playoff bound team being able to add a 25+ goal scorer for about 2.7 million. I keep seeing random young Dman (from a very defensively organized team so you will see regression), cap dump and the obligatory 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Can't Imagine Lou wastes much time on that call

But it's not...
- Garnie

Agreed

A lot of people really want Shattenkirk.

Alzner is better in my eyes. But will be cheaper just due to the hype around Shatty's offense.

He plays 20+ mins a night without a lick of PP time. Him and Rielly or Gardiner would be lovely.

LOL, Bix, I am the last guy here that would be taken in by that troll.

It was the only think I could type in place of just entering a bunch of
- Aetherial

- Symba007

The Western Buyer/Seller ratings are going CRAZY!

C R A Z Y!

Agreed
- walshyleafsfan

A lot of people really want Shattenkirk.

Alzner is better in my eyes. But will be cheaper just due to the hype around Shatty's offense.

He plays 20+ mins a night without a lick of PP time. Him and Rielly or Gardiner would be lovely.
- Santo_44

I still want Trouba.

I wonder if Andersen gets the rangers tomorrow night, or senators on sat night.

Harder team (rangers) vs team just above them in standing and division (ottawa)

Can't see him getting both games after last weekend.

I still want Trouba.
- mykokes

Trouba seems to be a worse version of Gardiner and right handed

Trouba seems to be a worse version of Gardiner and right handed
- walshyleafsfan

The team is better without Phil because the team is no longer ALL ABOUT PHIL.

I agree with all of you points on how we have improved. But we have been able to do all of that because Phil was gone.

The Leafs are not the Penguins. Phil sits in a room with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kunitz, Fleury....a big group of leadership that has won the Cup. It's not a room with Phil and Phaneuf controlling the radio and deciding not to salute the fans.

The Leafs are much better without Phil last season, this season and in the future. I'm feel the same with the idea of moving out JVR.

Give me a Wayne Simmonds type and Trouba type with one more 3/4 D...maybe Orlov cause he hits like a truck, then plan the parade.
- underhill14

Stop, Phil makes any team better.

Trouba seems to be a worse version of Gardiner and right handed
- walshyleafsfan

.........He plays the most shorthanded minutes on the Jets d and is relied on heavily defensively. And only recently has gotten looks on the PP with Myers being hurt. A lot more aggressive physically and can still skate.

Put bluntly....his style is so different from Gardiners.

Trouba seems to be a worse version of Gardiner and right handed
- walshyleafsfan

You've taken over my hate for Gardiner

He's a little better than you give him credit for...sure he's prone to bonehead mistakes...but he's better than Hunwick/Polak/Marincin/Carrick and anyone else not named Rielly/Z and some of his stats show him being our best D. ( not that agree totally )

I still want Trouba.
- mykokes

The Jets overvalue him too much.

I don't see him moving for a long time.

The Jets overvalue him too much.

I don't see him moving for a long time.
- Santo_44

That I agree with. I see them moving him this offseason though.

Stop, Phil makes any team better.
- bobbyisno1

Not if he's their best player....it's a little easier for him playing 3rd fiddle behind 2 superstars. He came to the Leafs....didnt make us any better.

The Jets overvalue him too much.

I don't see him moving for a long time.
- Santo_44

He wants to move...I think he'll get traded before that contract expires.

So there was a Problem with the new Vegas logo, but this new chargers logo is ok?

He wants to move...I think he'll get traded before that contract expires.
- Garnie

Probably with the Rangers. Seems like he wants to go to the east.

Toronto is possible. Just it might be a hard trade to figure out.

Probably with the Rangers. Seems like he wants to go to the east.

Toronto is possible. Just it might be a hard trade to figure out.
- Santo_44

Without getting raped..

Buff last night was terrible
- mykokes

Ya, I saw the game.

He's probably not the best choice....I find he shows up 1 out of 4 games.

Ya, I saw the game.

He's probably not the best choice....I find he shows up 1 out of 4 games.
- underhill14

A lot like Phil used to...

Ya, I saw the game.

He's probably not the best choice....I find he shows up 1 out of 4 games under 300 lbs
- underhill14

fixed

Without getting raped..
- bixll

Well Edmonton (frank)ed up the D value with the trade they made in the offseason.

Stop, Phil makes any team better.
- bobbyisno1

You can't make that statement definitively because...well...it's not true....Phil didn't make our team better. Fact. Phil didn't make the Bruins better. Fact.

Phil filled a hole on a very strong team and made them just enough better on the 3rd line for a very successful Cup run. Fact.

Sorry guys like Phil do not make teams better like a Toews, Crosby, McDavid....even Matthews. And, if you don't have the other guys, Phil can make your team worse.