Yes, Hansen had them scoring because he fits well with the Twins. How come Hansen hadnt scored more than 16 goals in a season before playing with them? He cant carry a line, but he compliments them well

My point with Jagr was that in 2011 he had 54 points in 73 games, awfully similar to Henrik's 55 points in 74 games. Or when Jagr put up 29 points in 57 games, pretty similar to Henrik's current 26 points in 43 games. I am not saying they are the same, but that the Sedins are two seasons from 70+ seasons, could rebound just as Jagr did with the right mix of linemates and protection in the roster
- WhiteLie

Maybe they could....anything is possible. Do you see any logical reason based on their performance and results to justify giving them control of the teams fate...like Willie is doing? They are currently being outplayed by both the Sutter and Horvat line. I've seen every minute of there NHL careers. I'm sold that they are declining quickly and I don't see it turning around. If the teams goal is to win and make the playoffs...then the management and coaching is counter acting that goal by handing the most opportunity to its least effective players...in my opinion

Was vodka...wrong again

Contracts r not binding as in playing.
- Nighthawk

Contracts are binding in that they are legal documents signed by players. NMC and NTC are legally binding clauses in that the players desire to stay (not be traded/moved) are in the players right throughout the duration of the active contract. You went from saying that Benning can forcibly tell a player he is waiving his poop and packing his bags, to Benning telling the player that his ice time will be cut (similar to what they did with Higgins). You need to be specific with what you are saying. You cannot legally break a binding contract and go against the clauses in that contract if you are management. You can do what the Canucks did with Higgins, but the two are very different.

Maybe they could....anything is possible. Do you see any logical reason based on their performance and results to justify giving them control of the teams fate...like Willie is doing? They are currently being outplayed by both the Sutter and Horvat line. I've seen every minute of there NHL careers. I'm sold that they are declining quickly and I don't see it turning around. If the teams goal is to win and make the playoffs...then the management and coaching is counter acting that goal by handing the most opportunity to its least effective players...in my opinion
- Bullfrog77

I do see them slowing down. I dont know if it is the beating they took last year, the World Cup, or just being overmatched by playing against the opposition's best, but they look worse this year. That being said, I think they have always been smarter than most, and will probably spend the offseason figuring out how they can be productive. I think a resurgence will occur next year, possibly if they are put together with someone fast like Boeser or JV and especially if Horvat's line becomes consistent enough that teams begin to play Keith, Doughty, and Burns against them instead

Contracts are binding in that they are legal documents signed by players. NMC and NTC are legally binding clauses in that the players desire to stay (not be traded/moved) are in the players right throughout the duration of the active contract. You went from saying that Benning can forcibly tell a player he is waiving his poop and packing his bags, to Benning telling the player that his ice time will be cut (similar to what they did with Higgins). You need to be specific with what you are saying. You cannot legally break a binding contract and go against the clauses in that contract if you are management. You can do what the Canucks did with Higgins, but the two are very different.
- Codes1087

I said what i said. U can continue harping on the legalities & ignore there is other ways around it. BTW Ask Jumbo Joe if the C was ripped off.

I do see them slowing down. I dont know if it is the beating they took last year, the World Cup, or just being overmatched by playing against the opposition's best, but they look worse this year. That being said, I think they have always been smarter than most, and will probably spend the offseason figuring out how they can be productive. I think a resurgence will occur next year, possibly if they are put together with someone fast like Boeser or JV and especially if Horvat's line becomes consistent enough that teams begin to play Keith, Doughty, and Burns against them instead
- WhiteLie

I see them being improved next year too...unfortunatly I think it'll only be till November and then crap the bed again. Happened with all the greats. No shame on them, but they have hit the wall

I see them being improved next year too...unfortunatly I think it'll only be till November and then crap the bed again. Happened with all the greats. No shame on them, but they have hit the wall
- Bullfrog77

I am optimistic that their career decline will be slow and steady. This wall they have hit this past month just seems so unsustainable

I sit them down & say playing time is cut like it or lump it.
U will be exposed at the draft is another.
U go ahead & force your silly tactics if u like idc.
Your words not mine. Don't put them in my mouth.
- Nighthawk

Fine, don't play them you still have to pay them.

Fine, don't play them you still have to pay them.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Pronger Horton Clarkson Savard etc etc lol
If the team is better off u do what u have to.

I said what i said. U can continue harping on the legalities & ignore there is other ways around it. BTW Ask Jumbo Joe if the C was ripped off.
- Nighthawk

Law abiding citizen, what can I say...

and Jumbo Joe seems to be playing out the entirety of his contract with the Sharks though.....

I'd like to see you guys lay off the Sedins, they're not the reason why the Canucks are where they are!! You can look at Gillis and Nonuts for that.

The Sedins are 36, their magic is gone. For the past few years they start well and then tailoff, which is what you're seeing again this year, although it's somewhat accelerated with each passing year.

I hope they don't come back, but I have nothing but excellent things to say about them.

Pronger Horton Clarkson Savard etc etc lol
If the team is better off u do what u have to.
- Nighthawk

Pronger Horton Savard all had career ending injuries....

Law abiding citizen, what can I say...

and Jumbo Joe seems to be playing out the entirety of his contract with the Sharks though.....
- Codes1087

He is in great shape & not slowing down.
SJ tops the Pacific.

I'd like to see you guys lay off the Sedins, they're not the reason why the Canucks are where they are!! You can look at Gillis and Nonuts for that.

The Sedins are 36, their magic is gone. For the past few years they start well and then tailoff, which is what you're seeing again this year, although it's somewhat excellerated with each passing year.

I hope they don't come back, but I have nothing but excellent things to say about them.
- LeftCoaster

well said

Pronger Horton Clarkson Savard etc etc lol
- Nighthawk

Using injured players sure backs up your argument, outside of Horton insurance is paying those players

He is in great shape & not slowing down.
SJ tops the Pacific.
- Nighthawk

lol this debate keeps getting side tracked. Out of respect for Carol and the other posters, I will end it here.

Pronger Horton Savard all had career ending injuries....
- Codes1087

Thx for that nugget of info.....

I'd like to see you guys lay off the Sedins, they're not the reason why the Canucks are where they are!! You can look at Gillis and Nonuts for that.

The Sedins are 36, their magic is gone. For the past few years they start well and then tailoff, which is what you're seeing again this year, although it's somewhat excellerated with each passing year.

I hope they don't come back, but I have nothing but excellent things to say about them.
- LeftCoaster

It was accelerated this year by the WC.

lol this debate keeps getting side tracked. Out of respect for Carol and the other posters, I will end it here.
- Codes1087

Well u said rip off the C or A not me.
I furnished an example like it or not.

Thx for that nugget of info.....
- Nighthawk

I am not really sure you even know what you are debating anymore...

I was accelerated this year by the WC.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I already fixed it. Damn iPhones.

Well u said rip off the C or A not me.
I furnished an example like it or not.
- Nighthawk

I didn't think you would take my interpretation of the Benning ripping off the letters of all his players who currently own letters (all whom of which have NTC's I believe) so literally lol.

I'd like to see you guys lay off the Sedins, they're not the reason why the Canucks are where they are!! You can look at Gillis and Nonuts for that.

The Sedins are 36, their magic is gone. For the past few years they start well and then tailoff, which is what you're seeing again this year, although it's somewhat accelerated with each passing year.

I hope they don't come back, but I have nothing but excellent things to say about them.
- LeftCoaster

It really doesn't matter what happened yesterday in pro sports...how great you were last game means nothing when you lose the next one. I'm talking in the right now...if our goal is improvement and playoffs, then why are the best most productive players taking a backseat to the Sedins legacy?

The question I have with the play and I've heard no one talking about it, is why didn't the Sedins failure power play change when the puck was cleared down the ice with 25 seconds to play? They had a minute and forty five second shift before the winning goal...of course there was no chance to run down the preds. Absolutely horrendous job of bench management on this play...I may not understand complex coaching strategies, but I can atleast figure out when players have had too long of a shift . Sedins ego or piss poor coaching ( likely a combo of both) cost this team a chance at two points
- Bullfrog77

I didn't think you would take my interpretation of the Benning ripping off the letters of all his players who currently own letters (all whom of which have NTC's I believe) so literally lol.
- Codes1087

Ok u convinced me to not take u literally.
Hence forth i will not believe u r serious posting here.

The blame actually lies with Stetcher and his decision making.
Stetch has a lot of goodwill with fans, so he's given a pass here (no pun intended) and the Sedin's cop the blame.

In hindsight, blasting it from the point 3 or 4 times in OT was not a good play.
Imagine if Edler had been on the point and had his shots blocked leading to the goal!!!
- dbot

Stecher looked horrible on that PP but what the hell were the slow tired Sedins still doing out there. Daniel who was also playing the point made no attempt to get back to the blue line to back up TS in case a puck got blocked . He was at the faceoff circle.

Secondly they are payed big big money to produce offence and now have 5 points combined in 8 games and three of those points were a gift from Sven.

You can point fingers at the fourth liners and the 650K first year Dman ,but the real issue is the twins and Eriksson.