Perspective - 1983-84 season

Vezina Trophy: Pelle Lindbergh (40-17-7, 3.02 GAA .899 save %)

Points
1. Wayne Gretzky* • EDM 208
2. Jari Kurri* • EDM 135
- nastyflyergirl

Show me another player who wins the Art Ross and has 1.54x as many points as the next leading scorer.

I wonder how many more goals Ovi would have scored had he played in the era that Gretzky did where the game was much more open.

He had a 50 50 season in 2005-2006 when the game was as wide open as it has been in at least two decades and I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like by now had the game continued to be wide open like that one season.
- kingcong39

And how many fewer goals would he have if they didn't call obstruction penalties, had to deal with the 2-line pass, and used a 1-piece wooden stick?

I wonder how many more goals Ovi would have scored had he played in the era that Gretzky did where the game was much more open.

He had a 50 50 season in 2005-2006 when the game was as wide open as it has been in at least two decades and I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like by now had the game continued to be wide open like that one season.
- kingcong39

Once the NHL fixes their scoring problems with these bowed net concept designs, everything will be fine....

Show me another player who wins the Art Ross and has 1.54x as many points as the next leading scorer.
- jmatchett383

I saw an article that compared Crosby and Gretzky over a combination of measurements. It was something like their ppg averages compared to their peers, with relationship to the league average of GPG.

I believe it actually worked out to be a lot closer than most would like to think. Gretzky still had the nod, but Crosby was get a fraction behind him.

When I get a second I will try to locate it...

Once the NHL fixes their scoring problems with these bowed net concept designs, everything will be fine....


- hockeylover

please no

also, ayfkm with that image name? lol

I saw an article that compared Crosby and Gretzky over a combination of measurements. It was something like their ppg averages compared to their peers, with relationship to the league average of GPG.

I believe it actually worked out to be a lot closer than most would like to think. Gretzky still had the nod, but Crosby was get a fraction behind him.

When I get a second I will try to locate it...
- jak521

I've talked with people in the Pens blog about Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr is today's game.

Most agreed that their raw totals would be lower, but that they would still be the best point producers in the game.

As much as the fanbase hates Crosby, can anyone here legitimately say that he's not one of the top 10 forwards to ever play the game?

please no

also, ayfkm with that image name? lol
- Scoob

yhefky with that image, I believe. bidpisidk

I've talked with people in the Pens blog about Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr is today's game.

Most agreed that their raw totals would be lower, but that they would still be the best point producers in the game.

As much as the fanbase hates Crosby, can anyone here legitimately say that he's not one of the top 10 forwards to ever play the game?
- jmatchett383

He is definitely in that conversation. And personally I would say yes.

So, was looking at Ovechkin's goals. He's 31, and has 544 goals. If he stays healthy, let's say his goal scoring production declines by 5% every year and his production continues for this year and see how his totals look at the end of each season:

2017: 38 (582)
2018: 36 (618)
2019: 34 (652)
2020: 32 (684)
2021: 30 (714)
2022: 28 (742)
2023: 26 (768)
2024: 24 (792)
2025: 22 (814)

This would make him 39 and puts him second all-time to Gretzky. Do you think the numbers are realistic?
- jmatchett383

Yes, I do think it's realistic.

Perspective - 1983-84 season

Vezina Trophy: Pelle Lindbergh (40-17-7, 3.02 GAA .899 save %)

Points
1. Wayne Gretzky* • EDM 208
2. Jari Kurri* • EDM 135
3. Dale Hawerchuk* • WIN 130
4. Marcel Dionne* • LAK 126
5. Paul Coffey* • EDM 121
6. Mike Bossy* • NYI 117
7. Denis Savard* • CBH 105
John Ogrodnick • DET 105
9. Bernie Federko* • STL 103
10. Brent Sutter • NYI 102
Mike Gartner* • WSH 102
12. Paul MacLean • WIN 101
13. John Tonelli • NYI 100
Mario Lemieux* • PIT 100
Bernie Nicholls • LAK 100
Peter Stastny* • QUE 100
17. Kent Nilsson • CGY 99
18. Tim Kerr • PHI 98
19. Brian Propp • PHI 97
20. Bob Carpenter • WSH 95
Michel Goulet* • QUE 95
- nastyflyergirl

Another thing that jumped out (other than the fact that this list of names looks like my hockey card collection from that year): Only one 'Merican born player on this list.

please no

also, ayfkm with that image name? lol
- Scoob

It has an image name?

Perspective - 1983-84 season

Vezina Trophy: Pelle Lindbergh (40-17-7, 3.02 GAA .899 save %)

Points
1. Wayne Gretzky* • EDM 208
2. Jari Kurri* • EDM 135
3. Dale Hawerchuk* • WIN 130
4. Marcel Dionne* • LAK 126
5. Paul Coffey* • EDM 121
6. Mike Bossy* • NYI 117
7. Denis Savard* • CBH 105
John Ogrodnick • DET 105
9. Bernie Federko* • STL 103
10. Brent Sutter • NYI 102
Mike Gartner* • WSH 102
12. Paul MacLean • WIN 101
13. John Tonelli • NYI 100
Mario Lemieux* • PIT 100
Bernie Nicholls • LAK 100
Peter Stastny* • QUE 100
17. Kent Nilsson • CGY 99
18. Tim Kerr • PHI 98
19. Brian Propp • PHI 97
20. Bob Carpenter • WSH 95
Michel Goulet* • QUE 95
- nastyflyergirl

No Flyer cracked the 100 point barrier. Classic suck.

It has an image name?
- hockeylover

Quote it. Shows as this:

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Quote it. Shows as this:

my work here is done
- Scoob

ftfy

No Flyer cracked the 100 point barrier. Classic suck.
- Scoob

On an unrelated note, I was completely unaware that Brian Propp had suffered a stroke. There was/is an article written on Philly.com yesterday by Bob Ford about his recovery etc which was a good read.

And yes, I'm too lazy to find the link.

I've talked with people in the Pens blog about Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr is today's game.

Most agreed that their raw totals would be lower, but that they would still be the best point producers in the game.

As much as the fanbase hates Crosby, can anyone here legitimately say that he's not one of the top 10 forwards to ever play the game?
- jmatchett383

I don't like the way 87 carried himself on the ice for the first half + of his career but even I begrudgingly have to say if not top ten all time, he's awfully close.

Ps i still have super Mario #1.

Aw, who broke the page?

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I've talked with people in the Pens blog about Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr is today's game.

Most agreed that their raw totals would be lower, but that they would still be the best point producers in the game.

As much as the fanbase hates Crosby, can anyone here legitimately say that he's not one of the top 10 forwards to ever play the game?
- jmatchett383

If Crosby up and retired today, I'd say no. Here's my list based on that (incredibly unrealistic) premise:

1.) Gretzky
2.) Howe
3.) Messier
4.) Mario
5.) Sakic
6.) Espo
7.) Jagr
8.) Trottier
9.) Kurri
10.) Brett Hull

Crosby is only 29 and if he just has a couple more average years (average by his standards), he's cracking this list IMO.

Other question: Jagr has 756 goals and missed 3 NHL seasons (not counting lockputs) to play in the KHL. Taking an average of his goals totals for the 3 seasons before and after those seasons (not a moving average), and normalizing for an 82 (in his case, 76.875) game season in 12/13, he averages 29.8 goals/season, giving him basically an extra 90 goals for 846.

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Aw, who broke the page?

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- Scoob

Dammit YeunglingJagr

You did not "ftfy" you "btfy"

Talking about point totals for players who have yet to retire is another reason why lockouts and lost seasons suck.

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