If Kane goes to the Ducks maybe homie will get his boy fat boy ritchie

Monkey does look a bit German to be sure

- IonSabres

That monkey is japanese and we don't talk to those frankers any more since the 40s.

You are forgetting Ryan O'Reilly
- MEBSabresFAN

oh you mean in the deal, well duh its ROR, but at 7.5m. Ill take 3 roster players to help the core

Still skill wise, Zads. He is maturing on the ice and is getting bolder, still have faith in him but since EJ got hurt, he has been stuck with beauchemin, tyutins and he has hurt him.

Compher is the safe money bet. Hes going to be the 3rd line C later on this year. Guy is legit and pesky. Him and AJ greer have great chemistry in the AHL and will be called up as line mates post deadline, thats my guess
- DDM-Coga

So far, JT is scoring much more than I thought he would be able to at the professional level, even if it is only in the AHL so far.

So far, JT is scoring much more than I thought he would be able to at the professional level, even if it is only in the AHL so far.
- kingcong39

that line of Greer, Compher, and grimaldi is fun. They are tearing it up down in the AHL

how much worse is it? we're bottom 5 right now


Difference is it gives you a lot to work with in terms of assets and cap space.

Also probably factor in that myers/stafford could have been traded for draft picks/prospects instead
- Sabresfan-365

One more reply on this:

If wingers are easy to find, as many have said, I really like the 4 center deep option they have with O'Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart, and Girgensons.

That's the kind of depth down the middle that wins.

You are correct about that trade receiving the least complaints, but I was disagreeing with a poster that believes the Sabres would be a better team today if we had stood pat and made no moves.

That would be conjecture at best. So I graded GMTM's major moves over the past two years and he's doing a good job as far as I can tell. We used to have a GM that would never gamble or trade equals, it became very predictable and as mentioned could have very well cost this team two Stanley Cups, (yes I know he was hamstrung by his owners but I can only compare Darcy and TM using what they did)
- MEBSabresFAN

Not today. Better off, with more flexibility long term. Yes IMO

Bills rumor from my buddy who has a connect.

Bills are set to offer Lynn the job. Lynn has an offer from another team but wants the Bills. Whaley wanted Sean McDermott Pegula wanted to keep Lynn. Looks like Lynn might be the guy..

He's received a ton of criticism, especially this season/year.

I wonder what the worth would have been considered to be for the following players after last season ended:

Zadorov, Grigorenko, JT Compher, and Joel Armia

I ask that because it feels like, outside of adding top end picks to those players, and not just one of those players but at least pairing those players together, making a trade for a high end player just using the names mentioned above would not have worked, again, unless top end picks were added.

If you are OK with having all of those players on the team and keeping the two 2015 first round picks, that means you subtract the following:

O'Reilly, Okposo (IMO), Lehner, Nylander, Kane, Bogosian

In their place, you have:

Zadorov, Myers, Grigorenko, JT Compher, Armia, (note the rest of this is a best guess) Colin White, Jack Roslovic, Jeremy Roy, Olli Juolevi/Matthew Tkachuk

How much better is that group now and more importantly in the future.

I have no idea regarding the future.
- kingcong39

Again, why does hindsight only work one way? Why can't it be Matthews/Laine?

That's a major factor.

Bills rumor from my buddy who has a connect.

Bills are set to offer Lynn the job. Lynn has an offer from another team but wants the Bills. Whaley wanted Sean McDermott Pegula wanted to keep Lynn. Looks like Lynn might be the guy..


- bluengold12

He has a second interview with the Chargers today 😋

This will be a tank move for the bills if he is hired

I understand now, I think. What you say is true with respect to results in terms of standings in the league.

But here's where I bet you and I disagree. I believe that a rebuild is a process that shows only marginal improvement in the standing until the last pieces come together and something clicks. When that happens, BOOM contender, perhaps even seeming to come out of nowhere. For us, I think the last pieces are the top LHD and a true sniper. I think the pieces gradually acquired get us closer to BOOM than the team's place in the standings shows right now.

You seem to believe that we could have delayed the acquisitions and hold the poop tonne of assets to be able, in the year we choose to do it, to duplicate the acquisitions of ROR and Lehner and Kane and all the others obtained with Murrency (please note: I will not argue their value individually), together with the last pieces that go Click and then BOOM all in a single year?? Cause if you think something different, all youre doing is delaying the rebuild and delaying the success, you're not speeding it up.

In some way - unless you're willing to delay the success - your proposal is the same as Murray's: Rebuild Express by spending a poop tonne in a short time. You just want it done in later years with more picks and drafts.
- Der Kaiser

Sort of, you're very close.

My issue lies within the middle step. I believe management chose to spend a poop ton of assets too early but the bigger problem is that they spent it on areas that a good rebuilding team gets through the draft OR in creative signings/trades, NOT OVERPAYMENTS

Take for example the often argued trades of Kane/Bogo, Lehner and even ROR. Using our division rivals as an example here because they'll help illustrate my point.

Nikita Zaitsev was practically unknown a year ago, literally. Never heard of him, until Friedman mentioned the leafs were signing him. This year, his first year in north america, has numbers worthy of being a second pair d-man. all at an ELC cap hit. His slot on the leafs is where Bogosian slots here.

The role of second line centre and shelterer for top draft pick(ROR's spot) held by a leafs draft pick, Nazem Kadri. Despite being a poop head, great two way game, signed to a reasonable contract.

James Van Riemsdyk, from the old group yes. Acquired at his lowest point (buy low) for Luke Schenn (aka the leafs tyler myers). No additional prospects, picks involved. The leafs have not only gotten more scoring out of him than we have with Kane, they will likely get major value for him at the deadline should they chose to move him.


Freddy Andersen. Rough start in his first month as a leaf, Vezina numbers since. Acquired using the 30th pick and a 2nd rounder. Signed to a pricey cap hit but hey, they dont have too many burdening contracts.

Addressing these secondary areas through the draft or creative/smart moves has now put the leafs not only in a higher spot in the standings but in a better position to address the exact same needs we do as they have far more cap space and assets to do so.

pegulas have to stop being Jerry Jones

This is getting quite annoying

pegulas have to stop being Jerry Jones

This is getting quite annoying
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Hoping the source is wrong and or I just jinxed it from happening

Bills rumor from my buddy who has a connect.

Bills are set to offer Lynn the job. Lynn has an offer from another team but wants the Bills. Whaley wanted Sean McDermott Pegula wanted to keep Lynn. Looks like Lynn might be the guy..


- bluengold12

Waiting to see puppet strings.

Sort of, you're very close.

My issue lies within the middle step. I believe management chose to spend a poop ton of assets too early but the bigger problem is that they spent it on areas that a good rebuilding team gets through the draft OR in creative signings/trades, NOT OVERPAYMENTS

Take for example the often argued trades of Kane/Bogo, Lehner and even ROR. Using our division rivals as an example here because they'll help illustrate my point.

Nikita Zaitsev was practically unknown a year ago, literally. Never heard of him, until Friedman mentioned the leafs were signing him. This year, his first year in north america, has numbers worthy of being a second pair d-man. all at an ELC cap hit. His slot on the leafs is where Bogosian slots here.

The role of second line centre and shelterer for top draft pick(ROR's spot) held by a leafs draft pick, Nazem Kadri. Despite being a poop head, great two way game, signed to a reasonable contract.

James Van Riemsdyk, from the old group yes. Acquired at his lowest point (buy low) for Luke Schenn (aka the leafs tyler myers). No additional prospects, picks involved. The leafs have not only gotten more scoring out of him than we have with Kane, they will likely get major value for him at the deadline should they chose to move him.


Freddy Andersen. Rough start in his first month as a leaf, Vezina numbers since. Acquired using the 30th pick and a 2nd rounder. Signed to a pricey cap hit but hey, they dont have too many burdening contracts.

Addressing these secondary areas through the draft or creative/smart moves has now put the leafs not only in a higher spot in the standings but in a better position to address the exact same needs we do as they have far more cap space and assets to do so.
- Sabresfan-365

Also, I have yet to see an under the radar type FA or trade work out in our favor yet.

Where are the bargain signees like Marchessault, Sceviour, Zaistev, Stempniak, Parenteau, who could help the top 6/top 4 and do not cost Okposo money?

Also, I have yet to see an under the radar type FA or trade work out in our favor yet.

Where are the bargain signees like Marchessault, Sceviour, Zaistev, Stempniak, Parenteau, who could help the top 6/top 4 and do not cost Okposo money?
- sbroads24

We should have signed Stempniak 2 years ago if not longer.

#dosomethingMURRAY

People should quit complaining about trading a 1st for Lehner (and Legwand that never gets mentioned). For as deep of a draft as '15 was, there were an awful lot of 1sts being traded. Would you guys complain if that 1st and our two 2nds were traded for Dougie Hamilton? How about that 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart? Maybe that 1st a defenseman and a goalie for Lucic? That 1st, a 3rd and Foligno for Brayden Coburn? The 1st and a D prospect for Sekara?

There are a lot of worse things we could have used that 1st for.

Bills rumor from my buddy who has a connect.

Bills are set to offer Lynn the job. Lynn has an offer from another team but wants the Bills. Whaley wanted Sean McDermott Pegula wanted to keep Lynn. Looks like Lynn might be the guy..


- bluengold12

What's wrong with Lynn?

People should quit complaining about trading a 1st for Lehner (and Legwand that never gets mentioned). For as deep of a draft as '15 was, there were an awful lot of 1sts being traded. Would you guys complain if that 1st and our two 2nds were traded for Dougie Hamilton? How about that 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart? Maybe that 1st a defenseman and a goalie for Lucic? That 1st, a 3rd and Foligno for Brayden Coburn? The 1st and a D prospect for Sekara?

There are a lot of worse things we could have used that 1st for.
- adambuffalo

I notice in that list you didn't mention keeping the first and taking white/roslovic. We didn't have to trade period.

People should quit complaining about trading a 1st for Lehner (and Legwand that never gets mentioned). For as deep of a draft as '15 was, there were an awful lot of 1sts being traded. Would you guys complain if that 1st and our two 2nds were traded for Dougie Hamilton? How about that 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart? Maybe that 1st a defenseman and a goalie for Lucic? That 1st, a 3rd and Foligno for Brayden Coburn? The 1st and a D prospect for Sekara?

There are a lot of worse things we could have used that 1st for.
- adambuffalo

good luck.

I notice in that list you didn't mention keeping the first and taking white/roslovic. We didn't have to trade period.
- Sabresfan-365

His point was that everyone complains that we traded a 1st in a deep draft. He was pointing out some of the other 1sts that got traded in that same draft. We aren't the only team that moved a 1st round pick that year.

good luck.
- TheSabresTaco

I notice in that list you didn't mention keeping the first and taking white/roslovic. We didn't have to trade period.
- Sabresfan-365

If we used the pick, it would likely have been on a defenseman. Not either of those guys. The team didn't need another center.

What's wrong with Lynn?
- TheSabresTaco

I'm not a fan. I want a shake up. My top choice of guys we interviewed is Richard but I love the idea of a McDermott McCoy team with McCoy being a QB whispering OC