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JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 9 @ 9:43 AM ET
If everything goes according to plan...Hexy will have too many prospects and will be unable to sign any poopty UFAs saving himself from himself
- YuenglingJagr


That would be nice Lets just hope they make the right moves when it counts.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:44 AM ET
Not one Flyer in the top 60
- aantny88

there are if you account for all situations (not just 5v5)

I want them to score at 5v5 as much as the next guy, but it isnt the only way to win games or be good
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:45 AM ET
Is every night though?
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah dude he sucks
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:47 AM ET
Is every night though?
- PhillySportsGuy

It's almost 50/50 using the 50% mark as a divider this year in most of the %for stats. So yes he's getting hammered a decent amount.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Jan 9 @ 9:48 AM ET
I don't think it's tough to tell at all. Strengthening lines 2, 3, and 4 is far more important than adding a 1st line winger. Raffl is fine in that spot in my opinion. Now they could add another player to put in that spot, and use Raffl to help in strengthening the lower lines, but I wouldn't bring in a big cap hit player for that spot.
- MJL


How will they improve those positions? I can think of one bona fide scoring forward in the pipeline (Lindblom) and not much else after that. D and goalies are solid for years to come. Hexy doesn't seem inclined to do much in free agency or trade, so I guess it'll be left up to the draft, which may take some time. By then, G may be past his prime.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 9 @ 9:49 AM ET
there are if you account for all situations (not just 5v5)

I want them to score at 5v5 as much as the next guy, but it isnt the only way to win games or be good

- YuenglingJagr


Sure it is. You must discount all PP goals as random flukes and only use 5v5 stats to evaluate life.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 9 @ 9:50 AM ET
It's almost 50/50 using the 50% mark as a divider this year in most of the %for stats. So yes he's getting hammered a decent amount.
- dragonoffrost


His shot metrics are third on the team
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:51 AM ET
Sure it is. You must discount all PP goals as random flukes and only use 5v5 stats to evaluate life.
- jmatchett383

*unless scored by 4th liners
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Jan 9 @ 9:51 AM ET
there are if you account for all situations (not just 5v5)

I want them to score at 5v5 as much as the next guy, but it isnt the only way to win games or be good

- YuenglingJagr


Couldn't agree more about 5v5 not being the only stat that matters and the PP is really important, especially to guys like G and Simmer for production. Unfortunately when you only get 1pp in a game (last night), it makes 5v5 that much more important. Guys like 78, 76, 27, 22 don't produce a damn thing no matter what, which is an even bigger issue.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 9 @ 9:52 AM ET
It's almost 50/50 using the 50% mark as a divider this year in most of the %for stats. So yes he's getting hammered a decent amount.
- dragonoffrost

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:54 AM ET
Couldn't agree more about 5v5 not being the only stat that matters and the PP is really important, especially to guys like G and Simmer for production. Unfortunately when you only get 1pp in a game (last night), it makes 5v5 that much more important. Guys like 78, 76, 27, 22 don't produce a damn thing no matter what, which is an even bigger issue.
- aantny88

It is tough to rely on PPs (being great ES would be preferable) but the Flyers do lead the league in getting power plays
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Jan 9 @ 9:55 AM ET
*unless scored by 4th liners
- YuenglingJagr


That's happened almost 10 times this season, if you include #22 as a fourth liner
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 9 @ 9:55 AM ET
Couldn't agree more about 5v5 not being the only stat that matters and the PP is really important, especially to guys like G and Simmer for production. Unfortunately when you only get 1pp in a game (last night), it makes 5v5 that much more important. Guys like 78, 76, 27, 22 don't produce a damn thing no matter what, which is an even bigger issue.
- aantny88


Yes, but they consistently don't produce, so you know what you're getting, which is apparently better than guys who may or may not produce.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jan 9 @ 9:56 AM ET
I don't think it's tough to tell at all. Strengthening lines 2, 3, and 4 is far more important than adding a 1st line winger. Raffl is fine in that spot in my opinion. Now they could add another player to put in that spot, and use Raffl to help in strengthening the lower lines, but I wouldn't bring in a big cap hit player for that spot.
- MJL

I do like Landeskog but you are right he does come with a good size cap hit. I don't think Raffl is a first line player but a good 2nd line and very good 3rd line player.
Flyers need more play making or at least another player who can finish, weather that be a first line LW or 2nd line Centre.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
I do like Landeskog but you are right he does come with a good size cap hit. I don't think Raffl is a first line player but a good 2nd line and very good 3rd line player.
Flyers need more play making or at least another player who can finish, weather that be a first line LW or 2nd line Centre.

- 3flyerkids


I don't know weather they need an upgrade at 1LW or 2C more, either. It all comes down to weather you think Coots is a legit 2C (aka do you believe in hand-picked #fancystats).

By the way, (frank) this cold ass whether.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
His shot metrics are third on the team
- PhillySportsGuy


10 games they've be out shot when he's on the ice.
13 games they've out shot the opponent when he's on the ice
3 games it was even.

Those are all situation numbers.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
I do like Landeskog but you are right he does come with a good size cap hit. I don't think Raffl is a first line player but a good 2nd line and very good 3rd line player.
Flyers need more play making or at least another player who can finish, weather that be a first line LW or 2nd line Centre.

- 3flyerkids


In the cap world, loading up your 3 best guys on the top line is pointless. The depth needs to be moved throughout the top 9. Raffl, at his cap hit, is a fine first liner and is actually he has been very helpful in making that line click
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:59 AM ET
I don't know weather they need an upgrade at 1LW or 2C more, either. It all comes down to weather you think Coots is a legit 2C (aka do you believe in hand-picked #fancystats).

By the way, (frank) this cold ass whether.

- jmatchett383

i see what you did there
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 9:59 AM ET

- JFlyers00

http://www.naturalstattri...it=all&stype=2&rate=n&v=p

Have fun. pick any percent stat he's about even split between being over and under 50%
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Jan 9 @ 9:59 AM ET
Yes, but they consistently don't produce, so you know what you're getting, which is apparently better than guys who may or may not produce.
- jmatchett383


I still don't and probably never will understand Hak's love affair with those guys. They need to score more at 5v5, but guys like Cousins, who provides speed, energy and a little scoring, ride the pine. Schultz has as many points as Weise
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 9 @ 10:01 AM ET
10 games they've be out shot when he's on the ice.
13 games they've out shot the opponent when he's on the ice
3 games it was even.

Those are all situation numbers.

- dragonoffrost


So he's facing the toughest matchups and outshooting them on most nights. I don't see the problem. Do you expect him to outshoot the opponent every night? There are other good players in the league too.

Now tell me how many night Bellemare has outshot the opponent
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 10:01 AM ET
I still don't and probably never will understand Hak's love affair with those guys. They need to score more at 5v5, but guys like Cousins, who provides speed, energy and a little scoring, ride the pine. Schultz has as many points as Weise
- aantny88

bat signal is out
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 9 @ 10:02 AM ET
I still don't and probably never will understand Hak's love affair with those guys. They need to score more at 5v5, but guys like Cousins, who provides speed, energy and a little scoring, ride the pine. Schultz has as many points as Weise
- aantny88


C O N S I S T E N C Y
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 10:03 AM ET
How will they improve those positions? I can think of one bona fide scoring forward in the pipeline (Lindblom) and not much else after that. D and goalies are solid for years to come. Hexy doesn't seem inclined to do much in free agency or trade, so I guess it'll be left up to the draft, which may take some time. By then, G may be past his prime.
- aantny88



Drafting and developing takes time. This was always going to be a process. While still a very good player, Giroux is already pretty much past his prime. I think Hextall will use trades and free agency when the timing is right, and the right moves present themselves.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 10:03 AM ET
i really should've finished my hype video
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