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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:40 PM ET
On the subject of coaching.

How the (frank) is Lappy still around?

- flyer_nutter



Him block shot with face. Him hero.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
Should he be?
- SuperSchennBros


With the current roster, and available players, yes, he should be.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
My argument against this is every seasoned coach had his first and second season where they learned what works and what doesnt..

To me Hak isnt the issue , not having a consistent 2nd center. Not having a way to alleviate any of the coverage away from G and Jake. Having a bottom 6 that is iffy at very best.

The good thing for me is these things look like they will be fixed with the prospects over the next 1 to 3 years..

- opeth_pa


When you guys see the line up, you see it how Bill posted it.

When I look at this new mess of a line up, I see this...

Konecny-Couturier-Voracek
Cousins-Schenn-Simmonds
Raffl-Giroux-Read

I see it this way because this is how I likely expect them to produce.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
Ryan White would have brought more on a nightly basis and a lot less$$$
- 3flyerkids


Wiese has been comically bad. And his contract is absurd. Where else was this guy getting a 4 year contract?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:42 PM ET
With the current roster, and available players, yes, he should be.
- MJL


Well it's good to know Vandevelde is the glue that holds this team together.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:42 PM ET
Wiese has been comically bad. And his contract is absurd. Where else was this guy getting a 4 year contract?
- PLindbergh31


I didnt mind it when they signed him really, but I expected a Ryan White with a few more points.

The guy is an Umberger clone.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jan 7 @ 12:43 PM ET
Wiese has been comically bad. And his contract is absurd. Where else was this guy getting a 4 year contract?
- PLindbergh31

Germany or Switzerland
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:43 PM ET
Well it's good to know Vandevelde is the glue that holds this team together.
- SuperSchennBros


More like the body fluid stain holding the pages of a magazine together.

He's growing on me though, weird to say. He's better than some of the other options at this point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:45 PM ET
Well it's good to know Vandevelde is the glue that holds this team together.
- SuperSchennBros


Exactly what I've been talking about.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:47 PM ET
I didnt mind it when they signed him really, but I expected a Ryan White with a few more points.

The guy is an Umberger clone.

- flyer_nutter


A 1 year deal at his cap hit ok, 4 years? Ridiculous.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
A 1 year deal at his cap hit ok, 4 years? Ridiculous.
- PLindbergh31

Yup, this was the signing that bothered me last summer. Gordon is one year at 950k, so no big deal. If it works out, great, if not, no big whoop.

Weise, OTOH, based on his full body of work, should have been offered no more than 3 years with an aav of 1.5 million max. If that wasn't enough to get him to sign, then wish him well and move on to plan B.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
Yup, this was the signing that bothered me last summer. Gordon is one year at 950k, so no big deal. If it works out, great, if not, no big whoop.

Weise, OTOH, based on his full body of work, should have been offered no more than 3 years with an aav of 1.5 million max. If that wasn't enough to get him to sign, then wish him well and move on to plan B.

- BiggE


I didnt see him much in Chicago but in Montreal he wasn't bad. He was supposed to be the guy to upgrade that bottom 6. He's done in the NHL after this contract unless he steps up big time.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
Waive Gordon

Waive Cousins

- SuperSchennBros

They couldn't because it would've taken 24 hrs for him to clear. That said...Gordon should've been waived months ago so whatever

Waiving Cousins would be stupid
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 1:06 PM ET
They couldn't because it would've taken 24 hrs for him to clear. That said...Gordon should've been waived months ago so whatever

Waiving Cousins would be stupid

- YuenglingJagr


My question on that situation, is why couldn't Alt have been medically cleared a day sooner, giving them the 24 hours needed to waive ALT and demote him?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
Well he's under contract to be a head coach for an NHL team so that answers that. I believe the more pertinent question is: how good of an NHL coach is he? I'll reserve judgement until I see what he can accomplish with a better roster. That being said, I do find some of his lineup decisions and line combos to be questionable and I do think he has a tendency to favor a certain type of player. In his defense, you could likely say the same about most, if not all, NHL coaches.

Time will tell.

- BiggE


I think he's definitely an NHL head coach. The stuff you mentioned is annoying, but he's no different than a lot of coaches. The way he thinks the game and what he WANTS the flyers to do is correct, I think
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think he's definitely an NHL head coach. The stuff you mentioned is annoying, but he's no different than a lot of coaches. The way he thinks the game and what he WANTS the flyers to do is correct, I think
- YuenglingJagr


His GM just needs to take away a few of his toys so he can focus on his homework
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
Did the backing tracks break today? Organ accompaniment is a nice change of pace.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
My question on that situation, is why couldn't Alt have been medically cleared a day sooner, giving them the 24 hours needed to waive ALT and demote him?
- MJL

No clue. I found it weird too. It's not like their schedule was packed.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 7 @ 1:10 PM ET
no mason tha'ts a positive
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 1:14 PM ET
His GM just needs to take away a few of his toys so he can focus on his homework
- Mononoke

The sooner, the better. Sitting Lyub and Cousins for Weise and Gordon is frustrating
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:16 PM ET
The sooner, the better. Sitting Lyub and Cousins for Weise and Gordon is frustrating
- BiggE


I think weise is better than vandevelde. Maybe not at all times this season, but overall weise is better. Their contracts mean nothing when talking about lineup decisions
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
BAD GOALIE STEVE MASON
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
no mason tha'ts a positive
- 2Real



BGMN
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
wow this team is pathetic
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 7 @ 1:18 PM ET
The think the line up decisions are very much why we're losing. Hello Schultz and very awful fourth line.
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