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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:07 PM ET
Salary cap
- YuenglingJagr

Waive Gordon.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:08 PM ET
Bad penalty early in the Ducks game? I don't care. Right now he gives us a better chance at winning.
- SuperSchennBros


He sat out because it was a roster move, and he had to be temporarily demoted because they had to activate ALT off of SOIR, and then had to wait 24 hours for ALT to clear waivers, so they could send him down to the AHL and then recall Lybimov. It was not a coaching decision.
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 7 @ 12:08 PM ET
Salary cap
- YuenglingJagr

Waive Cousins.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:08 PM ET
Salary cap
- YuenglingJagr


Roster limit, not salary cap. Flyers had over 4M of available cap space at the time.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Jan 7 @ 12:09 PM ET
He sat out because it was a roster move, and he had to be temporarily demoted because they had to activate ALT off of SOIR, and then had to wait 24 hours for ALT to clear waivers, so they could send him down to the AHL and then recall Lybimov. It was not a coaching decision.
- MJL


Waive Gordon

Waive Cousins
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:09 PM ET
Waive Cousins.
- SuperSchennBros


Why risk losing a player for nothing, for one game?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:10 PM ET
Waive Gordon



Waive Cousins

- SuperSchennBros


Hextall's decision, not Hakstol's.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:12 PM ET
You called him an NHL Coach. It's debatable. Chris Vandevelde is barely an NHL player himself. Dave Hakstol is a second season coach in the NHL. Not some seasoned Cup winning journeyman who has seen it all.
- SuperSchennBros


It's debatable that Hakstol is an NHL coach? Seriously?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 7 @ 12:13 PM ET
Salary cap
- YuenglingJagr



Roster, not cap.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:13 PM ET
That is some quality use of extended vocabulary right there. I admire your perspicacity.
- MBFlyerfan

😄
The local verbiage is truly exceptional
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 7 @ 12:17 PM ET
It's debatable that Hakstol is an NHL coach? Seriously?
- MJL

As a heart attack
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:18 PM ET
As a heart attack
- SuperSchennBros


How many games does a coach have to coach in the NHL, to be considered an NHL coach?
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 7 @ 12:21 PM ET
How many games does a coach have to coach in the NHL, to be considered an NHL coach?
- MJL


How long were Craig Berube and John Stevens hang around for? The bar isn't that high but apparently they were NHL coaches. Surpass them.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 12:22 PM ET
It's debatable that Hakstol is an NHL coach? Seriously?
- MJL

Well he's under contract to be a head coach for an NHL team so that answers that. I believe the more pertinent question is: how good of an NHL coach is he? I'll reserve judgement until I see what he can accomplish with a better roster. That being said, I do find some of his lineup decisions and line combos to be questionable and I do think he has a tendency to favor a certain type of player. In his defense, you could likely say the same about most, if not all, NHL coaches.

Time will tell.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:24 PM ET
How long were Craig Berube and John Stevens hang around for? The bar isn't that high but apparently they were NHL coaches. Surpass them.
- SuperSchennBros


It's not like Stevens and Berube haven't gotten NHL head coaching jobs since they parted ways with the Flyers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
Well he's under contract to be a head coach for an NHL team so that answers that. I believe the more pertinent question is: how good of an NHL coach is he? I'll reserve judgement until I see what he can accomplish with a better roster. That being said, I do find some of his lineup decisions and line combos to be questionable and I do think he has a tendency to favor a certain type of player. In his defense, you could likely say the same about most, if not all, NHL coaches.

Time will tell.

- BiggE


I agree, time will tell. I try to look at it objectively, and there have been decisions that he has made, that I did not agree with. To me that doesn't make it a questionable decision, especially if I don't know the complete reasoning behind it. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with a coach, or criticizing a coach. It's the extreme of calling a decision on a line combo a "waste of time" before the game is even played, or debating whether he is an NHL coach, that I have an issue with. Discussing how good of an NHL coach he is, is another conversation.
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 7 @ 12:32 PM ET
Well he's under contract to be a head coach for an NHL team so that answers that. I believe the more pertinent question is: how good of an NHL coach is he? I'll reserve judgement until I see what he can accomplish with a better roster. That being said, I do find some of his lineup decisions and line combos to be questionable and I do think he has a tendency to favor a certain type of player. In his defense, you could likely say the same about most, if not all, NHL coaches.

Time will tell.

- BiggE

This is fair. I can meet you in the middle here. The Lyubimov move, fine, not his choice. So you decide to play Cousins or a Vandevelde. What does he do?

He made line up changes six days ago as we inserted two regulars last Sunday. We did well against the Ducks. The Rangers game, we weren't great but their goalie played absolutely out of this world.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:32 PM ET
This is fair. I can meet you in the middle here. The Lyubimov move, fine, not his choice. So you decide to play Cousins or a Vandevelde. What does he do?

He made line up changes six days ago as we inserted two regulars last Sunday. We did well against the Ducks. The Rangers game, we weren't great but their goalie played absolutely out of this world.

- SuperSchennBros


Vandevelde was already in, and has been in the lineup.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
You called him an NHL Coach. It's debatable. Chris Vandevelde is barely an NHL player himself. Dave Hakstol is a second season coach in the NHL. Not some seasoned Cup winning journeyman who has seen it all.
- SuperSchennBros



My argument against this is every seasoned coach had his first and second season where they learned what works and what doesnt..

To me Hak isnt the issue , not having a consistent 2nd center. Not having a way to alleviate any of the coverage away from G and Jake. Having a bottom 6 that is iffy at very best.

The good thing for me is these things look like they will be fixed with the prospects over the next 1 to 3 years..
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 12:37 PM ET
My argument against this is every seasoned coach had his first and second season where they learned what works and what doesnt..

To me Hak isnt the issue , not having a consistent 2nd center. Not having a way to alleviate any of the coverage away from G and Jake. Having a bottom 6 that is iffy at very best.

The good thing for me is these things look like they will be fixed with the prospects over the next 1 to 3 years..

- opeth_pa


Totally agree. I doesn't matter what line combinations he puts together, there will be on paper, an issue somewhere. As if we can criticize the coach for not putting together a lineup, that's not possible to put together, with the pieces that he has to work with.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
Roster, not cap.
- MBFlyerfan


Yeah I messed up. Was thinking when Streit comes back. Even I, like Dave Hakstol, can be wrong.

SuperSchennBros
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Jan 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
Vandevelde was already in, and has been in the lineup.
- MJL

Should he be?
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jan 7 @ 12:39 PM ET
Wiese is a waste of oxygen.
- PLindbergh31


Ryan White would have brought more on a nightly basis and a lot less$$$
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:40 PM ET
On the subject of coaching.

How the (frank) is Lappy still around?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 7 @ 12:40 PM ET
Should he be?
- SuperSchennBros

Actually I'll say at this point yeah. He's better than Gordon, Weise and on most nights Cousins.
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