and i am a firm believer that the D wouldnt be any worse with Graves than with Girardi out there, but whatever we disagree
- mrn22

I really want AV to do this for a few games so we can all see.

UPDATE: Canucks claim F Reid Boucher & Canes claim F Ty Rattie off waivers; Bruins G Anton Khudobin & Sharks F Matt Nieto waived #TSNHockey

hey lets claim Nieto...

he's a lefty forward, but, maybe he can play right side blueline

Serious question, Would you trust Girardi(all his playoff experience), or Graves(who has never played against NHL caliber players) in the playoffs?
- mdw7413

I would need to see him play in the regular season first.

But seriously thats the only argument for Girardi... his exp and what hes done in the past.

should the pens have played Fleury last year because he had exp and Murray didnt?

I really want AV to do this for a few games so we can all see.
- Pete V

Now we're talking Pete V!

I would need to see him play in the regular season first.

But seriously thats the only argument for Girardi... his exp and what hes done in the past.

should the pens have played Fleury last year because he had exp and Murray didnt?
- mrn22

Matt Murray was DOMINANT in the AHL last year, dominant for 2 years in the AHL actually

Ryan Graves hasn't been at all, so this is a real bad example

Matt Murray was DOMINANT in the AHL last year

Ryan Graves hasn't been at all, so this is a real bad example
- jimbro83

(frank) it, seriously, let's just do it.

Matt Murray was DOMINANT in the AHL last year, dominant for 2 years in the AHL actually

Ryan Graves hasn't been at all, so this is a real bad example
- jimbro83

ya well its the first one i could think of

I would need to see him play in the regular season first.

But seriously thats the only argument for Girardi... his exp and what hes done in the past.

should the pens have played Fleury last year because he had exp and Murray didnt?
- mrn22

Sometimes, its just time to move on.
Whats worse playing a veteran who you KNOW is not the same player he was 3 years ago and who is on the downswing, or giving someone else a shot and seeing what they can do?

I would need to see him play in the regular season first.

But seriously thats the only argument for Girardi... his exp and what hes done in the past.

should the pens have played Fleury last year because he had exp and Murray didnt?
- mrn22

Completely different situation with Murray. Fleury had concussion symptoms, and you are talking about only 1 other viable candidate for that position.

I just think you cant take someone who isn't even playing well against AHL players and expect him to succeed against NHL caliber players.

Sometimes, its just time to move on.
Whats worse playing a veteran who you KNOW is not the same player he was 3 years ago and who is on the downswing, or giving someone else a shot and seeing what they can do?
- MiloslavHorava

I really dont think Graves would be as bad as they make it out to be. And on the flip side I REALLY think Girardi is toast

(frank) it, seriously, let's just do it.

- Pete V

if a left side defenseman got hurt, I think it would definitely make sense to call Graves up and see what he has got

Rangers need to make a trade for a RHD, but nobody wants to trade anything

Sometimes, its just time to move on.
Whats worse playing a veteran who you KNOW is not the same player he was 3 years ago and who is on the downswing, or giving someone else a shot and seeing what they can do?
- MiloslavHorava

ruining his confidence, being exposed in the NHL when he isn't ready

if a left side defenseman got hurt, I think it would definitely make sense to call Graves up and see what he has got

Rangers need to make a trade for a RHD, but nobody wants to trade anything
- jimbro83

Picks (just not the 1st)

doesnt have to be a legit top pair guy, just an improvement over whos here

if a left side defenseman got hurt, I think it would definitely make sense to call Graves up and see what he has got

Rangers need to make a trade for a RHD, but nobody wants to trade anything
- jimbro83

Stepan for Trouba

Picks (just not the 1st)

doesnt have to be a legit top pair guy, just an improvement over whos here
- mrn22

well, we don't have a second this year

Stepan for Trouba
- nyrangers9479

I know you want to trade Stepan, you have traded him everyday for the past two weeks

but, Winnipeg has no need to do that

ruining his confidence, being exposed in the NHL when he isn't ready
- jimbro83

Not everybody is a delicate little flower nowadays. How do you know he will be exposed, how do you know how his confidence will be affected?
You never know how people are going to react, you also never know how guys will performed when called upon. Kurt Warner and Tom Brady were backups who would've never seen the field on their respective teams had an injury not occured and they were given an OPPORTUNITY.

Stepan for Trouba
- nyrangers9479

Not everybody is a delicate little flower nowadays. How do you know he will be exposed, how do you know how his confidence will be affected?
You never know how people are going to react, you also never know how guys will performed when called upon. Kurt Warner and Tom Brady were backups who would've never seen the field on their respectful team had an injury not occured and they were given an OPPORTUNITY.
- MiloslavHorava

oyyy vey already

so far Ryan Graves is Matt Murray, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady

oyyy vey already

so far Ryan Graves is Matt Murray, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady
- jimbro83

He's no Adam Clendening though.

oyyy vey already

so far Ryan Graves is Matt Murray, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady
- jimbro83

Don't be so shallow and childish because I don't agree with you. I NEVER compared him to ANY of them. They are examples of people who seized on opportunities

oyyy vey already

so far Ryan Graves is Matt Murray, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady
- jimbro83

Now that Dylan McIlrath is gone somebody has to embody the hopes and aspirations of the fanbase.

Don't be so shallow and childish because I don't agree with you. I NEVER compared him to ANY of them. They are examples of people who seized on opportunities
- MiloslavHorava

Sure, but there are countless of examples of backups who played when a QB was injured and were absolute tire fires, right?

Don't be so shallow and childish because I don't agree with you. I NEVER compared him to ANY of them. They are examples of people who seized on opportunities
- MiloslavHorava

oh shut the phuck up already my god

oh shut the phuck up already my god
- jimbro83

That's the response I expected.


(For the record I never once mention Graves or any other Hartford defensmen by name in any of my posts)