stuff like what?

where in any post was it mentioned our unwanted players for your prime players?


as far as who makes for a good trade partner, i dunno.
depends on how desperate of a situation sakic thinks the avs are in. is it just a hiccup? or something more fundamental? if its just a hiccup, then theres probably no trade that makes sense for those guys. (maybe a sideways trade withanother bottom feeder as mentioned)
but if hes convinced of something else, a whole host of other potential trade offers from other teams become possibilities.

you might disagree, but i think nurse is an absolutely fair starting point if in fact the avs were considering dealing landeskog
- HB77

just in general, its the same crap over and over again that are flooding this site when it comes to trading for Avs best players.

Nurse is a fair starting point bc he is the 5th most valuable Dman for you guys right now. So why would the Avs want to do a deal built around Nurse, thats my point when it comes to this sort of stuff. Larsson, Klef, Sekera, Davidson are none starters but hey heres Nurse now so take the Dman who isnt doing anything for us now bc hes hurt

Why do the Avs have to blow things up? Bc everyone is saying so? Maybe a Top 9 of Landy, Mack, Rants, Duchene, Jost, Compher, Greer, and this years pick maybe actually might be a good team vs having one that has Iggy, Bourque, Soderberg, Grigo, Comeau filling out the rest.

Why make their team worse by moving one of the only legit Top line talents they have right now for developing players? They want to win too.

Change 'Avs' to 'Oilers' and you sound a lot like many did here For your sake I hope it doesn't take moving one of those top forwards, but whether you like it or not, that D corps is not pretty and the Avs are lacking high-end guys in the pipeline.

Before there's any misunderstanding, I'm not supporting that Nurse+ deal; just commenting on the hilarious similarities.
- MaximumBone

D core isn't great, but probably not as desperate as the Oilers were. Barrie and Zadarov are young and useful and Jost and Rantanen are pretty high end forward prospects.

Change 'Avs' to 'Oilers' and you sound a lot like many did here For your sake I hope it doesn't take moving one of those top forwards, but whether you like it or not, that D corps is not pretty and the Avs are lacking high-end guys in the pipeline.

Before there's any misunderstanding, I'm not supporting that Nurse+ deal; just commenting on the hilarious similarities.
- MaximumBone

I disagree, Avs have a better pipeline than people realize. They have talent

All under 21, Zads, Rants, Jost, AJ Greer, Compher, Martin, Bigras. Those are NHL level players. They aren't no bodies. THey may lack higher end talent, but they already have that on the current roster. Their issue is actually surrounding that talent with respectable players. And thats who those kids are. They will make a difference

On an aside, I'd like to give a big shout of praise to Benning for his frankly amazing when he's been in the roster. He's this year's Davidson and with Davey getting back into the groove he was feeling last year, I'm starting to feel really comfortable with the D. I'd really consider moving one of Nurse or even Klefbom for the right RH Dman in exchange.

D core isn't great, but probably not as desperate as the Oilers were. Barrie and Zadarov are young and useful and Jost and Rantanen are pretty high end forward prospects.
- Mr.Bobby

They don't have to be as desperate as the Oilers to still benefit from a change. In fact, having that abundance of talent in the forward pipeline would really ease the burden of moving one of those top end guys. As with Edmonton, moving Hall, Eberle or Nuge was inconceivable until we also had Leon, McDavid, and Puljujarvi.

They don't have to be as desperate as the Oilers to still benefit from a change. In fact, having that abundance of talent in the forward pipeline would really ease the burden of moving one of those top end guys. As with Edmonton, moving Hall, Eberle or Nuge was inconceivable until we also had Leon, McDavid, and Puljujarvi.
- MaximumBone

Other than the older guys like Iggy, the only one that may make sense to move is Duchene. The only way to move a number one center is for a kings ransom though, and he is only movable because of MacKinnon and Jost in the pipeline. Still I'd be stunned if someone came up with a package that would make Colorado consider moving him.

I disagree, Avs have a better pipeline than people realize. They have talent

All under 21, Zads, Rants, Jost, AJ Greer, Compher, Martin, Bigras. Those are NHL level players. They aren't no bodies
- DDM-Coga

So you've told me before, but doesn't that same depth open the door to be used to support a highly deficient position? What happens in the entirely realistic possibility that either of Bigras or Zadorov unable to reach top-4 level?

Other than the older guys like Iggy, the only one that may make sense to move is Duchene. The only way to move a number one center is for a kings ransom though, and he is only movable because of MacKinnon and Jost in the pipeline. Still I'd be stunned if someone came up with a package that would make Colorado consider moving him.
- Mr.Bobby

Barrie is the one that I think they move out of anyone

Varly, Barrie, Duchene is the priority of guys they try to move. Barrie would be a multiple piece package for a D they want to build and develop. Hes been a mess this year and dont know why

just in general, its the same crap over and over again that are flooding this site when it comes to trading for Avs best players.

Nurse is a fair starting point bc he is the 5th most valuable Dman for you guys right now. So why would the Avs want to do a deal built around Nurse, thats my point when it comes to this sort of stuff. Larsson, Klef, Sekera, Davidson are none starters but hey heres Nurse now so take the Dman who isnt doing anything for us now bc hes hurt

Why do the Avs have to blow things up? Bc everyone is saying so? Maybe a Top 9 of Landy, Mack, Rants, Duchene, Jost, Compher, Greer, and this years pick maybe actually might be a good team vs having one that has Iggy, Bourque, Soderberg, Grigo, Comeau filling out the rest.

Why make their team worse by moving one of the only legit Top line talents they have right now for developing players? They want to win too.
- DDM-Coga

well thats just the thing, the avs must be on the precipice of calling the season. at least not far off.
so with that said, nurse unable to help them immediately makes no difference.
today, davidson and sekera are non starters cause we're in a playoff race, but overall, id bet chiarelli would for sure give those pieces before nurse. and in a heartbeat in the offseason.

it sounds like the only trade you want for one of those guys is a sideways deal for a comparable player today.
which is problematic for two reasons.
1. you might be giving up on the homerun bluechip that makes future deals attractive to teams that can afford to lose that piece in the short term.
2. youve severely limited the number of teams that can do business with you today

So you've told me before, but doesn't that same depth open the door to be used to support a highly deficient position? What happens if either of Bigras or Zadorov are unable to reach top-4 level? What then?
- MaximumBone

Zads is already playing like a Top 4 dman this season and has been dominate at times, especially with EJ. He is legit.

With Zads is does he come a true top pairing Dman vs is he a Top 4 dman bc that boy is rock solid

Barrie is the one that I think they move out of anyone

Varly, Barrie, Duchene is the priority of guys they try to move. Barrie would be a multiple piece package for a D they want to build and develop. Hes been a mess this year and dont know why
- DDM-Coga

So something like a Klefbom for Barrie would be what you're looking at? Not that I'd offer that, but just so I'm clear on the value you'd expect.

well thats just the thing, the avs must be on the precipice of calling the season. at least not far off.
so with that said, nurse unable to help them immediately makes no difference.
today, davidson and sekera are non starters cause we're in a playoff race, but overall, id bet chiarelli would for sure give those pieces before nurse. and in a heartbeat in the offseason.

it sounds like the only trade you want for one of those guys is a sideways deal for a comparable player today.
which is problematic for two reasons.
1. you might be giving up on the homerun bluechip that makes future deals attractive to teams that can afford to lose that piece in the short term.
2. youve severely limited the number of teams that can do business with you today
- HB77

they wouldnt trade them mid season bc they won't get top value for them. They aren't deadline rental here that they need to get away with.

So why they do any deal mid season if it limits their returns. Realistic no on is going to pony up for them mid season, they are no rush to make a move. They stink this year whats the point of trading their best players now when they won't get any better

So something like a Klefbom for Barrie would be what you're looking at? Not that I'd offer that, but just so I'm clear on the value you'd expect.
- MaximumBone

Thats what I would want to see happen, but I think it would be more of a Nurse+ style package for Barrie.

Barrie is the one that I think they move out of anyone

Varly, Barrie, Duchene is the priority of guys they try to move. Barrie would be a multiple piece package for a D they want to build and develop. Hes been a mess this year and dont know why
- DDM-Coga

That's a tough pill to swallow though. A 25 year old top 4 RHD on a very reasonable contract is tough to let go. We got Hall and I'm still a bit upset that Larsson is gone.

That's a tough pill to swallow though. A 25 year old top 4 RHD on a very reasonable contract is tough to let go. We got Hall and I'm still a bit upset that Larsson is gone.
- Mr.Bobby

IF they move Barrie I think they are taking a run at Hamonic by moving Duchene.

I dont see 1 without the other. They tried that with Landy/Barrie last offseason, so maybe they try it again

On an aside, I'd like to give a big shout of praise to Benning for his frankly amazing when he's been in the roster. He's this year's Davidson and with Davey getting back into the groove he was feeling last year, I'm starting to feel really comfortable with the D. I'd really consider moving one of Nurse or even Klefbom for the right RH Dman in exchange.
- MaximumBone

a talented player that isnt afraid of the rough stuff.
hes been a solid piece all year.

that group last night was solid as eff. strong in their own end and challenged the kings at the blue line all night.. all without the guy whos been their best defender or the past two months.

IF they move Barrie I think they are taking a run at Hamonic by moving Duchene.

I dont see 1 without the other. They tried that with Landy/Barrie last offseason, so maybe they try it again
- DDM-Coga

Please, please, please don't do that. I don't want to see JT and Duchene on the Isles.

Please, please, please don't do that. I don't want to see JT and Duchene on the Isles.
- Mr.Bobby

Barzal and Hamonic would have to come back
Get desperate for me Snowy

Zads is already playing like a Top 4 dman this season and has been dominate at times, especially with EJ. He is legit.

With Zads is does he come a true top pairing Dman vs is he a Top 4 dman bc that boy is rock solid
- DDM-Coga

I can give you a list of hundreds of young Dmen that "have played like top-4 Dmen" only to never reach that level again. One of them is on your team right now (Patrick Weircioch). As another example, Klefbom was a defensive god last year and suddenly he's making mistakes regularly. Development isn't linear. Until a player has two years of playing at that particular level, they shouldn't be thought of as that- let alone more.

On an aside, I get that stats that I'm about to use are highly subjective and I can't suggest anything indefinitely until I've watched more Avs games, but he appears to be a MAJOR anchor on Johnson.

Johnson w/ Zadorov
GF/60: 1.14
GA/60 2.27
CF%: 47.7

Johnson w/o Zadorov

GF/60: 2.36
GA/60 2.36
CF%: 55.3

Zadorov w/o Johnson

GF/60: 1.57
GA/60 3.31
CF%: 43.0

Those don't look like top-4 numbers, but I'll withhold my own judgement until I watch the Avs some more.

they wouldnt trade them mid season bc they won't get top value for them. They aren't deadline rental here that they need to get away with.

So why they do any deal mid season if it limits their returns. Realistic no on is going to pony up for them mid season, they are no rush to make a move. They stink this year whats the point of trading their best players now when they won't get any better
- DDM-Coga

this was kinda the question i asked about whether sakic thinks this is a hiccup or something more fundamental.
and mentioned nurse +.
and you had a meltdown bro.

i suppose i can understand the frayed nerves that come with being a fan of a bottom feeder.

totally makes sense to not blow your load on a season thats already lost, but in terms of the return, again, it depends on how close sakic actually thinks they are and whether its only a sideways deal hes after.
which is what would truly limit the returns in the number of teams willing to make that deal.


anyways--id be interested in the proposal of nurse + for barrie. (id assume the chances of klefbom for barrie are extremely slim)
but id still be more amenable to landy or duch first

Barzal and Hamonic would have to come back
Get desperate for me Snowy
- DDM-Coga

NYI- Tavares, Duchene
Pitt- Crosby, Malkin
Flyers- Giroux, Konecny
Rangers- Stepan, Hayes
Caps- Backstrom, Johansson
Canes- Staal, Rask, Lindholm


NJ- Zajac, Henrique


Cancel the Devils.

NYI- Tavares, Duchene
Pitt- Crosby, Malkin
Flyers- Giroux, Konecny
Rangers- Stepan, Hayes
Caps- Backstrom, Johansson
Canes- Staal, Rask, Lindholm


NJ- Zajac, Henrique


Cancel the Devils.
- Mr.Bobby

been meaning to ask;

are the devils actually missing larssons defensive play?
or is it just a narrative being thrown around by those who want to cast aspersions on hall and the true equality of the trade?

is the simple cause and affect that devils are still struggling and the trade didnt change their fortunes much way over simplified?

I can give you a list of hundreds of young Dmen that "have played like top-4 Dmen" only to never reach that level again. One of them is on your team right now (Patrick Weircioch). As another example, Klefbom was a defensive god last year and suddenly he's making mistakes regularly. Development isn't linear. Until a player has two years of playing at that particular level, they shouldn't be thought of as that- let alone more.

On an aside, I get that stats that I'm about to use are highly subjective and I can't suggest anything indefinitely until I've watched more Avs games, but he appears to be a MAJOR anchor on Johnson.

Johnson w/ Zadorov
GF/60: 1.14
GA/60 2.27
CF%: 47.7

Johnson w/o Zadorov

GF/60: 2.36
GA/60 2.36
CF%: 55.3

Zadorov w/o Johnson

GF/60: 1.57
GA/60 3.31
CF%: 43.0

Those don't look like top-4 numbers, but I'll withhold my own judgement until I watch the Avs some more.
- MaximumBone

I'm going to ignore this bc I don't care. You are trying to discredit me putting up with watching the avs games and seeing zads play and doing all the smart plays he does now. Of course they will have bad numbers they are a bad team with awful goal tending.

He's been good, a bright spot on a terrible team. Those don't show up with possession numbers. Seeing Patrick Kane get trucked by him one shift then the next willing cough up the puck to him bc he does not want to come down his side again

Honestly dude I like ya but this Is the kind of crap that pisses me off the most. Another fan base trying to prove someone wrong by posting advance stats. Those numbers are a snap shot in time and don't tell the whole story

NYI- Tavares, Duchene, Nelson
Pitt- Crosby, Malkin, Bonino
Flyers- Giroux, Couterier, Konecny
Rangers- Stepan, Zibby, Hayes
Caps- Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Johansson
Canes- Staal, Rask, Lindholm


NJ- Zajac, Henrique


Cancel the Devils.
- Mr.Bobby

Fixed for accuracy (even though some of them play wing)

this was kinda the question i asked about whether sakic thinks this is a hiccup or something more fundamental.
and mentioned nurse +.
and you had a meltdown bro.

i suppose i can understand the frayed nerves that come with being a fan of a bottom feeder.

totally makes sense to not blow your load on a season thats already lost, but in terms of the return, again, it depends on how close sakic actually thinks they are and whether its only a sideways deal hes after.
which is what would truly limit the returns in the number of teams willing to make that deal.


anyways--id be interested in the proposal of nurse + for barrie. (id assume the chances of klefbom for barrie are extremely slim)
but id still be more amenable to landy or duch first
- HB77

I'm pissy bc I get retards like alfie trying to trade for Avs players now and blue jacket fans trolling like they just one the cup. What world am I living in now?