1) I think you're mistaking lack of effort for lack of talent. They're two entirely different things. Those kids are trying they're just not very good. I'll give you this, some of it is systems, or lack of.

2) just because you don't see any tactics doesn't mean they aren't there, they most certainly are. You most likely just don't know what you're looking at. That's not a shot it's just the reality of most fans.
- LeftCoaster

some players still play hard. Burrows is an example of this. Sure some do but largely the team when you look at it doesnt. Im tired of watching this team not up the intensity when down a goal in the dying minutes of the 3rd. Or sit behind our own net with the puck for 5 seconds when we have 30 sec left. Or stickhandle for 10 seconds in their zone with 30 sec left. Complete lack of urgency.

I really like the way you put that 2nd part. Thats right, some things are right under your nose and most fans dont know what theyre looking at. Most cant see the patterns that develop. Things done repetitively but fly under the radar. Some pick it up some dont. Reality.

I get what you say. Even WD was saying something about effort and sustaining it. It could be confidence in play or what they are doing isn't working. Players like WD but don't think they really believe in what he's selling. So Players get hesistent and it seems they are outworked. They have issues there too.
- Nuck4U

Wd has been expressing his frustration with the team turtling late with a lead as well. He sees it as a natural reaction but this is where some character types are more effective behind the bench and in the dressing room. It can't be denied that at times he's unsuccessful at getting more focus out of his players. I don't think it was a weakness in the AHL. I know this core has been guilty of it for all 3 of the coaches that have been here in recent years. The idea being sold by some that it's what the coach wants or instructs them to do is obviously narrow minded. It's only that simple on HB.

some players still play hard. Burrows is an example of this. Sure some do but largely the team when you look at it doesnt. Im tired of watching this team not up the intensity when down a goal in the dying minutes of the 3rd. Or sit behind our own net with the puck for 5 seconds when we have 30 sec left. Or stickhandle for 10 seconds in their zone with 30 sec left. Complete lack of urgency.

I really like the way you put that 2nd part. Thats right, some things are right under your nose and most fans dont know what theyre looking at. Most cant see the patterns that develop. Things done repetitively but fly under the radar. Some pick it up some dont. Reality.
- SMBDragon

We, for the most part, are seeing the same frustrating things on the ice. It's your baseless assumptions of why that are getting challenged and your responses are always the same... shift to a big condescending post about some people this, and some people that, you have superior awareness and bulpoop bullpoop bullpoop

We, for the most part, are seeing the same frustrating things on the ice. It's your baseless assumptions of why that are getting challenged and your responses are always the same... shift to a big condescending post about some people this, and some people that, you have superior awareness and bulpoop bullpoop bullpoop
- boonerbuck

and what is it thats baseless?

ok I spend time reiterating what I meant on others and youve right back to this. Perhaps its what you wish to believe? I hope not.

and what is it thats baseless?

ok I spend time reiterating what I meant on others and youve right back to this. Perhaps its what you wish to believe? I hope not.
- SMBDragon

You spent the last two seasons claiming that WD is not competent enough to understand any kind of system. Regardless of his years of pro coaching where you'd be jobless if you couldn't be at least basic in your systems. Regardless of how many times you were asked to back it up, you couldn't. People on here gave you their observations on how WD deploys a system. It's been covered during games by hockey personalities and explained by the crew at Canucks Army in their blog. With all that awareness you have to spare, you'd think you would have gave up that embarrassing fight earlier. You saw no system....Hmmmm.... maybe it's time to reconsider just how aware you really are and the limits of what you can see. Or at least dial back the arrogance and learn a few things around here.

and what is it thats baseless?

ok I spend time reiterating what I meant on others and youve right back to this. Perhaps its what you wish to believe? I hope not.
- SMBDragon

It's the players. They're all really poop.

its because I have a strategist mentality. Most people dont.

When changes need to be made and are ignored for 2 entire seasons you are lazy. 2 assistants come in making sweeping changes to the D right away. Shows how little the originals did huh? Makes them lazy to me.
- SMBDragon

Weird that Torts had the Rangers and has the Blue Jackets at the top of the league yet had Vancouver at the bottom. AV keeps chugging along with the Rangers.....

Stupid Willy got us into the playoffs his first season.

Maybe you're just wrong, and by wrong I mean dead wrong.

You are one of the very few in the world that believes a coaching change would cure all that is wrong with the Canucks.

Weird that Torts had the Rangers and has the Blue Jackets at the top of the league yet had Vancouver at the bottom. AV keeps chugging along with the Rangers.....

Stupid Willy got us into the playoffs his first season.

Maybe you're just wrong, and by wrong I mean dead wrong.

You are one of the very few in the world that believes a coaching change would cure all that is wrong with the Canucks.
- golfingsince

I thought Torts had the Canucks perform to one of the best Decembers in team history and we were top ten in the league on Jan 1 of the Torts year, which was in line with the current talent level of that club. Torts ran into injuries that killed him and he couldn't cycle through it. I think we had 8 regulars out by Feb 1 and it just killed us. Torts got slammed here because his hard ass tactics didn't work when the team was down and out in the 2nd half of that season.

Opinions are welcome but stop inflating yourself as the authority on coaching. You never explain the case for it... just go on and on about the results a good coach will get. People are not beneath you when it comes to the subject of coaching. Your insistence that you are one of the few who understands is laughable.

Linden as our coach because he can't be any worse? He has zero experience. You are ok with random inexperienced people stepping behind our bench? How do you expect any credibility with contradictions like that?

- boonerbuck

Couldn't have said it better without getting a PM from a Mod saying that I hurt Dragon's feelings.

Just stop it already, theres no lack of effort on this team, they're just not very talented. I'm not a Desjardins fan, at all, but the man is no dummy, he's earned his way into the league the hard way. This team is just not a good fit for his tactics but they play hard for the guy.

The Sedins are the real issue, love those guys but the President and GM let their presence dictate the clubs immediate and long term future, the coach won't stop playing them because he's a veteran loving coach thus the kids don't get some minutes they should....it goes on and on.
- LeftCoaster

You keep insisting that the people who challenge you don't get it or understand it like you do. I have paid attention. You just keep throwing cliches criticisms. There are several on here who can talk coach and they do. You dismiss them. Those posts come across as arrogant because they are. I'd feel like an idiot dismissing them knowing my own limits on the subject. It's hard watching you do this to yourself.
- boonerbuck

The D still sucks in my opinion,

Here is my break down on the team

1st Line ______ ______ ______

2nd Line Eriksson ________ _________

3rd line D Sedin, Baertschi Granlund, Sutter, Hovart, H. Sedin Hansen

4th line ________ Gaunce Burrows

AHL, Skille, Megna, Chaput, Rodin

D
1st pair _________ _________
2nd pair Edler Tanev
3rd pair Gudbranson Sbisa

Possible 7-8 Tryamkin, Stecher,

AHL, Hutton, Pedan,

Even your strategist mind couldn't make wine out of this sour grapes roster.
- Makita

So true.

So true.
- Reubenkincade

70 mil spent on 3 Rd & 4 th lines and 3-6 D pairings

So true.
- Reubenkincade

It's actually not true at all, but you doom and gloom guys will jump on anything negative.

70 mil spent on 3 Rd & 4 th lines and 3-6 D pairings
- VANTEL

To relieve my concerns about this team I just do the countdown, currently at 129 and trending downwards after each game played.

To relieve my concerns about this team I just do the countdown, currently at 129 and trending downwards after each game played.
- Reubenkincade

If they extend Miller or Burrows this year and/or the Sedins next year i will be joining Donna as a rabid Vegas fan.

It's actually not true at all, but you doom and gloom guys will jump on anything negative.
- Scooby_Doo

It is not about doom and gloom or being negative, it is called REALITY. I am positive this team will be better, it is just going to take some time, our young players on this team and in the system need time to learn and grow and the old players just need to go.
I am optimistic that Bo will turn into a good 2C Jake will become a decent 2/3RW our young defense will become decent, but this is more in agreement with how our players stand at this stage of progression and regression.
I was agreeing with Makita about our current roster evaluation and how difficult it is to try squeeze wine out of this bunch of sour grapes.
Looking forward to the 2018-19 season.

It is not about doom and gloom or being negative, it is called REALITY. I am positive this team will be better, it is just going to take some time, our young players on this team and in the system need time to learn and grow and the old players just need to go.
I am optimistic that Bo will turn into a good 2C Jake will become a decent 2/3RW our young defense will become decent, but this is more in agreement with how our players stand at this stage of progression and regression.
I was agreeing with Makita about our current roster evaluation and how difficult it is to try squeeze wine out of this bunch of sour grapes.
Looking forward to the 2018-19 season.
- Reubenkincade

It will be the same or worse.
No big changes until the Sedins retire.

It will be the same or worse.
No big changes until the Sedins retire.
- Marwood

Su rely the Canucks will not resign them for that season... will they?

I would ask the question if they would be a second line on any of the top 10-15 in the league. I might make a case for Horvat, but i believe he would be 3rd line centre in that context
- Makita

Chicago has Anisimov as their 2c. Bo is better than him. He would slot into Chi 2c easily. though many teams have a set 2c, that doesn't mean Bo isn't a 2c in this league.

Su rely the Canucks will not resign them for that season... will they?
- Reubenkincade

I can't speak for stupid people i just challenge their posts until they cry to a Ref.

It will be the same or worse.
No big changes until the Sedins retire.
- Marwood

And what a relief that will be, those two have been a real drag on this organization

And what a relief that will be, those two have been a real drag on this organization
- belcherbd

According to the President they are preventing a proper tear down & rebuild.

And what a relief that will be, those two have been a real drag on this organization
- belcherbd

They've been nothing short of outstanding players and citizens for the Canucks, but when it's time to move on, it's time to move on. Linden explains it like the organization somehow owes them something, which is mind-boggling.

Neither them or the organization owes each other anything at this point, they played hard and were paid handsomely. To the tune of 60+ million dollars (each) for their careers.

Su rely the Canucks will not resign them for that season... will they?
- Reubenkincade

yep...third line...watch it happen.