I don't know why I still come here, (frank)ing ridiculous.
- Scooby_Doo

What's ridiculous? People just getting ideas out, right or wrong, if you have an opinion you're engaged, that's a good thing for a team in a rebuild phase.

5-3 already, prepare to be kicked solidly this week
- LeftCoaster

Not a good start for your goalies.

If the players, who have played competitive hockey all their lives need a kick in the pants to wanna win then we need to trade them right now.

The coaches responsibility is to give the teams systems/tactics to be successful at both ends of the ice. These are the things where I think WD has failed. His line deployment is brutal. He struggles reading the game within the game, his in game adjustments aren't very good.

No coach is going to come in mid-season and change all the systems/tactics and be successful. That is why I feel at the seasons end is better.
- Kaynine

you got it exactly right. Plus the fact the lack of effort is allowed.

but you cant say no coach can because we;ve seen it happen before. Even winning the cup with a mid season change. Im not saying we'd win it all just that you shouldnt make such limiting statements.

so you think you should wait with the changes and ruin part of another season 1st instead of using whats left of this 1 to implement change. Makes ZERO sense to wait. Zero

Not a good start for your goalies.
- Scooby_Doo

Detroit, another team that's about to land next to the Titanic

Good thing your not near any bridges with that out look of a Canucks team

- Kaynine

we have several bridges in vancouver but they all have tolls on them. So youd tolled .. it wouldnt surprise me if they tolled on the way down too

What's ridiculous? People just getting ideas out, right or wrong, if you have an opinion you're engaged, that's a good thing for a team in a rebuild phase.
- LeftCoaster

The ideas are all poop and the same everyb(frank)ing day. The back and forth bullpoop every day is trying, and it's always the same clowns with the same stupid comments.

i presently look at Gudbranson as a 5th overall, on any team except the bottom 5 where he is 2-3, and Eriksson is a 2nd line LW on our team and possibly others that are better. And as I stated above I could possibly make a case for Horvat also.

You guys can all have blinders on if that's the way you want it, I have and will continue to criticize the coach for certain aspects....but we are not talented enough to solely blame the coach, my opinion.

That's the only reason I come to Willies defense, is the statements that change the coach and the canucks will be playoff bound, and when that coach fails he will be labelled, lazy, soft and stupid.
- Makita

I agree can't solely blame WD. Though if healthy and certain talents missing from a soft team like JV can step up to be added; then, this can be a bubble team that has a chance to sneak in. This is where performance meets coaching and there is potential there. The likelyhood is marginal. Too many things have to go right. So it's a safe bet they will wind up bottom 5 as teams ahead have more going on for them.

you got it exactly right. Plus the fact the lack of effort is allowed.

but you cant say no coach can because we;ve seen it happen before. Even winning the cup with a mid season change. Im not saying we'd win it all just that you shouldnt make such limiting statements.

so you think you should wait with the changes and ruin part of another season 1st instead of using whats left of this 1 to implement change. Makes ZERO sense to wait. Zero
- SMBDragon

Just stop it already, theres no lack of effort on this team, they're just not very talented. I'm not a Desjardins fan, at all, but the man is no dummy, he's earned his way into the league the hard way. This team is just not a good fit for his tactics but they play hard for the guy.

The Sedins are the real issue, love those guys but the President and GM let their presence dictate the clubs immediate and long term future, the coach won't stop playing them because he's a veteran loving coach thus the kids don't get some minutes they should....it goes on and on.

Opinions are welcome but stop inflating yourself as the authority on coaching. You never explain the case for it... just go on and on about the results a good coach will get. People are not beneath you when it comes to the subject of coaching. Your insistence that you are one of the few who understands is laughable.

Linden as our coach because he can't be any worse? He has zero experience. You are ok with random inexperienced people stepping behind our bench? How do you expect any credibility with contradictions like that?

- boonerbuck

if you noticed I said I wasnt suggesting it ...you missed that part.

Things are often easily miss construed in text form. If it comes across as arrogant its not intentional.

I have posted IN DETAIL about it for almost 2 years. Im not doing that anymore, it is a waste of my time. As I've said before.
So If anyone here is new or missed it you are more than welcome to go back 2 years and read it.

At the 40 game mark its crap or get off the pot😜💨💨

Can the trap & play wide open offensive hockey.
Skate til u drop or ride the pine.
Pull either goalie after a muffin...Keenan ruthless style

Let it be known to the fans we will play fast hockey at any price.
- Nighthawk

we could use keenan right now for that very reason.
not the ideal answer of course though.

The ideas are all poop and the same everyb(frank)ing day. The back and forth bullpoop every day is trying, and it's always the same clowns with the same stupid comments.
- Scooby_Doo

In my mind it really comes down to a lack of talent from several things, competing for a Cup, poor drafting and poor asset management. That's it.

That boils down to poor management, end of story! When the team is owned and managed properly, then, and only then, will things get better.

i presently look at Gudbranson as a 5th overall, on any team except the bottom 5 where he is 2-3, and Eriksson is a 2nd line LW on our team and possibly others that are better. And as I stated above I could possibly make a case for Horvat also.

You guys can all have blinders on if that's the way you want it, I have and will continue to criticize the coach for certain aspects....but we are not talented enough to solely blame the coach, my opinion.

That's the only reason I come to Willies defense, is the statements that change the coach and the canucks will be playoff bound, and when that coach fails he will be labelled, lazy, soft and stupid.
- Makita

both willy and lidster have been lazy, you cant argue with that. You did agree with me. You did say he does stupid stuff. And unwilling to get tough with poor team effort. hard to argue that. So ya add it up, lazy soft and stupid.

Good discussion
- LeftCoaster

What's ridiculous? People just getting ideas out, right or wrong, if you have an opinion you're engaged, that's a good thing for a team in a rebuild phase.
- LeftCoaster

a few lucky bounces away from the Cup #rebuildCupbound

Opinions are like bumholes everyone's got one. Doesn't make it fun to share

Edit: Agree with your post just adding some fun sarcastic humor for Scooby cause he's bored. Rant a way

Detroit, another team that's about to land next to the Titanic
- LeftCoaster

sure looks that way.

Just stop it already, theres no lack of effort on this team, they're just not very talented. I'm not a Desjardins fan, at all, but the man is no dummy, he's earned his way into the league the hard way. This team is just not a good fit for his tactics but they play hard for the guy.

The Sedins are the real issue, love those guys but the President and GM let their presence dictate the clubs immediate and long term future, the coach won't stop playing them because he's a veteran loving coach thus the kids don't get some minutes they should....it goes on and on.
- LeftCoaster

I doubt you'll have very many supporting that theres no lack of effort. Teams are outworking us regularly.

Its possible that the team and coach are simply a miss match as you suggested. However I cant recall ANY time seeing willy use a tactic. But regardless you have presented a possible flipside there. Cool!

Yes I agree and would love to see the sedins use a different set of skills that cycling around the boards. We can change that....how do I know? Because whenever the sedins have gone to international play they dont use it and seem to play better and more dominantly. BUt when allowed to run the team and not the coach this is what happens. Its why if its a strong coach offense can be turned around.

I think thats what torts meant when he said stale core

In my mind it really comes down to a lack of talent from several things, competing for a Cup, poor drafting and poor asset management. That's it.

That boils down to poor management, end of story! When the team is owned and managed properly, then, and only then, will things get better.
- LeftCoaster

We have bad owners who don't understand how to run a sports franchise. They are dip poop kids who might be good building condos but they don't know how to run a hockey team.

if you noticed I said I wasnt suggesting it ...you missed that part.

Things are often easily miss construed in text form. If it comes across as arrogant its not intentional.

I have posted IN DETAIL about it for almost 2 years. Im not doing that anymore, it is a waste of my time. As I've said before.
So If anyone here is new or missed it you are more than welcome to go back 2 years and read it.
- SMBDragon

You keep insisting that the people who challenge you don't get it or understand it like you do. I have paid attention. You just keep throwing cliches criticisms. There are several on here who can talk coach and they do. You dismiss them. Those posts come across as arrogant because they are. I'd feel like an idiot dismissing them knowing my own limits on the subject. It's hard watching you do this to yourself.

Just stop it already, theres no lack of effort on this team, they're just not very talented. I'm not a Desjardins fan, at all, but the man is no dummy, he's earned his way into the league the hard way. This team is just not a good fit for his tactics but they play hard for the guy.

The Sedins are the real issue, love those guys but the President and GM let their presence dictate the clubs immediate and long term future, the coach won't stop playing them because he's a veteran loving coach thus the kids don't get some minutes they should....it goes on and on.
- LeftCoaster

I agree with the assessed observations in general. Yet find myself asking what if they play the Sedins less wouldn't that be on the coach for improving team performance? I know it helps development. But WD also gets his offensive balance in the long run if manufactured from new sources. Management can't or won't move the Sedins but they don't roll the lines either. So who controls this issue more management or WD? The HC who says who plays and when. He could save his job if he tried something new.

I doubt you'll have very many supporting that theres no lack of effort. Teams are outworking us regularly.

Its possible that the team and coach are simply a miss match as you suggested. However I cant recall ANY time seeing willy use a tactic. But regardless you have presented a possible flipside there. Cool!

Yes I agree and would love to see the sedins use a different set of skills that cycling around the boards. We can change that....how do I know? Because whenever the sedins have gone to international play they dont use it and seem to play better and more dominantly. BUt when allowed to run the team and not the coach this is what happens. Its why if its a strong coach offense can be turned around.

I think thats what torts meant when he said stale core
- SMBDragon

1) I think you're mistaking lack of effort for lack of talent. They're two entirely different things. Those kids are trying they're just not very good. I'll give you this, some of it is systems, or lack of.

2) just because you don't see any tactics doesn't mean they aren't there, they most certainly are. You most likely just don't know what you're looking at. That's not a shot it's just the reality of most fans.

I agree with the assessed observations in general. Yet find myself asking what if they play the Sedins less wouldn't that be on the coach for improving team performance? I know it helps development. But WD also gets his offensive balance in the long run if manufactured from new sources. Management can't or won't move the Sedins but they don't roll the lines either. So who controls this issue more management or WD? The HC who says who plays and when. He could save his job if he tried something new.
- Nuck4U

It's been hashed over to no end, the Sedins under current ownership and management aren't going anywhere and their deployment won't change because there's no one pushing them aside. Until they leave the team just needs to draft well because they're gonna play the same way over and over and over again, and continue to lose a lot.

I doubt you'll have very many supporting that theres no lack of effort. Teams are outworking us regularly.

Its possible that the team and coach are simply a miss match as you suggested. However I cant recall ANY time seeing willy use a tactic. But regardless you have presented a possible flipside there. Cool!

Yes I agree and would love to see the sedins use a different set of skills that cycling around the boards. We can change that....how do I know? Because whenever the sedins have gone to international play they dont use it and seem to play better and more dominantly. BUt when allowed to run the team and not the coach this is what happens. Its why if its a strong coach offense can be turned around.

I think thats what torts meant when he said stale core
- SMBDragon

I get what you say. Even WD was saying something about effort and sustaining it. It could be confidence in play or what they are doing isn't working. Players like WD but don't think they really believe in what he's selling. So Players get hesistent and it seems they are outworked. They have issues there too.

It's been hashed over to no end, the Sedins under current ownership and management aren't going anywhere and their deployment won't change because there's no one pushing them aside. Until they leave the team just needs to draft well because they're gonna play the same way over and over and over again, and continue to lose a lot.
- LeftCoaster

Hence 3 years away from being 3 years away.

1) I think you're mistaking lack of effort for lack of talent. They're two entirely different things. Those kids are trying they're just not very good. I'll give you this, some of it is systems, or lack of.

2) just because you don't see any tactics doesn't mean they aren't there, they most certainly are. You most likely just don't know what you're looking at. That's not a shot it's just the reality of most fans.
- LeftCoaster

My tactics til seasons end r simple...
Run n gun & find out who leads the way on offense.
Use the season as all out skating & up n down the ice for next years roster.
All offensive D join the rush with the back forward taking his role.
Marky gets most of the starts.

You keep insisting that the people who challenge you don't get it or understand it like you do. I have paid attention. You just keep throwing cliches criticisms. There are several on here who can talk coach and they do. You dismiss them. Those posts come across as arrogant because they are. I'd feel like an idiot dismissing them knowing my own limits on the subject. It's hard watching you do this to yourself.
- boonerbuck

what I say is that we all as people have things that we either are good at or not so good at. We see things differently for a variety of reasons. Sometimes its opinion sometimes its due to an individual skill. Personally I see everyone as equals before even though theres this talent or another theres different talents in others that balance.
Its like comparing spacial ability and listening comprehension. They are completely opposite. Sometimes there is a skill that is more rare. Its why many are soldiers and a few are captains of those soldiers, but then there's that 1 general that makes it all happen. Is he more important that the soldiers? No. They're all a cog in the machine but he's a general because he knows how to strategize at a high level and can see his area of battle playing out.
People are different. Not all see the same stuff. Its what makes society rounded and forward progressing.

over time I have shortened things to "ok you dont see this, I've tried explaining to you. There's no point continuing." In rebuttal I had to reiterate this saying 'ok you dont get it'. In shorter form than before. He didnt seem to understand I was trying to end the conversation so I kept saying that to end it. Some didnt follow the entire exchange and came in at that point. Its why people got inflamed.

Yes there are several people here with good smart minds. Regardless we still arent going to see things the same way