Lol at Carchidi tweeting about how Schenn should stay at 2C when Coots comes back. Yeah because that line and he have been so dominant at 5v5. I swear to God it's like people slather themselves in recency bias and get box score tunnel vision. The "second" line has been a mess 5v5 in both ends, and it's not like Schenn scored an OT goal and 3 PP goals to make his 5v5 play null and void or anything
- Mononoke

I do think he might be right, though. I could see Schenn staying with Konecny and Simmonds even after Couturier returns. Left's face it, the French Resistance line isn't getting benched. Schenn has produced, even if it's not at ES.

When Read comes back, I could see him and Couturier as a duo with Weise or maybe Cousins as a "shut down" type line, and Konecny, Schenn and Simmonds as a shelter-able second scoring line

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- PhillySportsGuy

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- PLindbergh31

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Along the same lines of your other post , the ridiculous pace the top of the Metro div teams are playing at....

https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-284622500?tid=280751054

I do think he might be right, though. I could see Schenn staying with Konecny and Simmonds even after Couturier returns. Left's face it, the French Resistance line isn't getting benched. Schenn has produced, even if it's not at ES.

When Read comes back, I could see him and Couturier as a duo with Weise or maybe Cousins as a "shut down" type line, and Konecny, Schenn and Simmonds as a shelter-able second scoring line
- Jsaquella

But if he is producing on the PP, what does that have to do with ES? That line is getting slaughtered nightly, and they are NOT scoring. He has been perhaps the worst Flyer on the team at ES this year. Hakstol doesn't trust that line for poop. 2 games with scoring on the PP and 3on3 doesn't displace Coots.

Stick Schenn with Weise and Read, 2 strong possession players to insulate him against lesser competition. Then give Konecny and Simmonds Coots to help insulate them and make them go (though Simmer can be a strong wingman with a better center). They can bump Read up late in games for TK. Makes too much sense to me.

Couturier STILL has 1 more point at 5v5 than Schenn in less games. And Schenn STILL has 1 5v5 goal this year to Coots's 5 goals. Schenn has not done anything to get those linemates and that usage. In fact, his best games were as 4C with Weise and Lyubimov against weak competition. That's the money ticket.

I do think he might be right, though. I could see Schenn staying with Konecny and Simmonds even after Couturier returns. Left's face it, the French Resistance line isn't getting benched. Schenn has produced, even if it's not at ES.

When Read comes back, I could see him and Couturier as a duo with Weise or maybe Cousins as a "shut down" type line, and Konecny, Schenn and Simmonds as a shelter-able second scoring line
- Jsaquella

I really don't see the point in that at all because while it's nice in theory, I haven't seen it and the stats haven't really shown it. At least not with how theyre playing right now. Outside of a couple goals by Simmonds the line hasn't really produced at evens and a hot defense/goalie is saving their bacon. I cringed when they were out there at the end of the game on Sunday.

I'd prefer two competent lines, and obviously Hak can put them back together for a few shifts if necessary depending on match ups

Lol at Carchidi tweeting about how Schenn should stay at 2C when Coots comes back. Yeah because that line and he have been so dominant at 5v5. I swear to God it's like people slather themselves in recency bias and get box score tunnel vision. The "second" line has been a mess 5v5 in both ends, and it's not like Schenn scored an OT goal and 3 PP goals to make his 5v5 play null and void or anything
- Mononoke

Zero problem with the second line stay together in Curturier's return. The line isn't perfect but it's not getting slaughtered.

Zero problem with the second line stay together in Curturier's return. The line isn't perfect but it's not getting slaughtered.
- SuperSchennBros

That line has been together 7 games. Brayden Schenn has 1 point scored in those 7 games on that line. The line performs 8% worse than the rest of the team in shot attempts when on the ice with a sterling 41% Corsi For %; they perform 25% worse in scoring chances by averaging, per 60 minutes, 3.5 scoring chances while giving up 11+.

Some other eye popping stats for this "scoring line": they have a goals per 60 of 0.8 goals and a goals against/60 of 2.6 goals. Their "expected" goal % (+/- in % form) is 33%. They've actually been outscored 75%-25%.

Now you probably don't care about any of this -- and they've failed the eye test too in spades -- but someone who does can marvel at these numbers. Slaughtered might be too kind a word honestly. They've been the on-ice equivalent of Tyler Kennedy's face.

That line has been together 7 games. Brayden Schenn has 1 point scored in those 7 games on that line. The line performs 8% worse than the rest of the team in shot attempts when on the ice with a sterling 41% Corsi For %; they perform 25% worse in scoring chances by averaging, per 60 minutes, 3.5 scoring chances while giving up 11+.

Some other eye popping stats for this "scoring line": they have a goals per 60 of 0.8 goals and a goals against/60 of 2.6 goals. Their "expected" goal % (+/- in % form) is 33%. They've actually been outscored 75%-25%.

Now you probably don't care about any of this -- and they've failed the eye test too in spades -- but someone who does can marvel at these numbers. Slaughtered might be too kind a word honestly. They've been the on-ice equivalent of Tyler Kennedy's face.
- Mononoke

Maybe we have a different opinion in how to use the word "slaughtered" because they're not allowing goals anymore than they are scoring them. Sure shots can be taken from the outside but I never felt like the line was in much danger all weekend.

You're right, I don't care about these numbers and I do think you see what you want to see, especially when you bring up one name on a three man line. My eye test tells me that in the most recent games (this weekend), they haven't allowed much if anything. I'm not a fan of all of Dave Hakstol's methods but I'm fine with him continuing to keep going back to that second line.

You're worried about scoring on that second line. Is Sean Couturier gonna do all the scoring for the second line?

Maybe we have a different opinion in how to use the word "slaughtered" because they're not allowing goals anymore than they are scoring them. Sure shots can be taken from the outside but I never felt like the line was in much danger all weekend.

You're right, I don't care about these numbers and I do think you see what you want to see, especially when you bring up one name on a three man line. My eye test tells me that in the most recent games (this weekend), they haven't allowed much if anything. I'm not a fan of all of Dave Hakstol's methods but I'm fine with him continuing to keep going back to that second line.

You're worried about scoring on that second line. Is Sean Couturier gonna do all the scoring for the second line?
- SuperSchennBros

Brayden Schenn has 1 5v5 goal to Couturier's 5 in 8 less games. So yes, actually, I think Couturier would do more scoring for that line on top of the defense. I also think he would open up his linemates' games more just by his 2-way play alone.

As for not getting outscored and taking shots from the outside, did you miss the part where I said they've been outscored 75%-25%? Real actual goals. And those scoring chance numbers aren't outside shots. It hasn't felt like any danger maybe to some (which I don't agree with because I'm fearful every time they're in their zone) because Mason has been playing like a monster and saving their butts. I can't even imagine what their goal differential would look like with October Flyers goaltending.

I don't think there's any trickery with the stats. They're pretty much matching the eye.

Hopefully Kid Cudi doesn't poop the bed come the 16th when his new album drops. Can't be any worse than his last one

J Cole's latest is underwhelming. Borderline disappointing.

Two of my favorites in a week and a half and so far we're 0/1.

But if he is producing on the PP, what does that have to do with ES? That line is getting slaughtered nightly, and they are NOT scoring. He has been perhaps the worst Flyer on the team at ES this year. Hakstol doesn't trust that line for poop. 2 games with scoring on the PP and 3on3 doesn't displace Coots.

Stick Schenn with Weise and Read, 2 strong possession players to insulate him against lesser competition. Then give Konecny and Simmonds Coots to help insulate them and make them go (though Simmer can be a strong wingman with a better center). They can bump Read up late in games for TK. Makes too much sense to me.
- Mononoke

Listen, I'm not saying what I would do...I'm guessing what Hakstol will do.

I really don't see the point in that at all because while it's nice in theory, I haven't seen it and the stats haven't really shown it. At least not with how theyre playing right now. Outside of a couple goals by Simmonds the line hasn't really produced at evens and a hot defense/goalie is saving their bacon. I cringed when they were out there at the end of the game on Sunday.

I'd prefer two competent lines, and obviously Hak can put them back together for a few shifts if necessary depending on match ups
- YuenglingJagr

I'm in agreement. This is my guess, not what I would do myself.

I can definitely show you some material more worthless bro

My CV for starters
- Giroux_Is_God

i disagree.

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- Crimsoninja

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