Why are the Hawks not scoring ?

Hartman. 5 goals

Motte. 3 goals

Schmaltz. 1 goal

Hinostrozza 1 goal

Kempny. 0

Desjardin. 0

Rasmussen. 2 goals

Too too. 0

Toews. 4 goals

That is a total of 16 goals from 9 players......not good!


We traded two players last year, TT and Danault and right now those two have 13 goals so far. I would say Stan made some hefty mistakes with the two trades and over estimating the strength of the rookies.
- spanky

spanks i think that is an unfair assessment of stanbows trades...he moved danault in an attempt to upgrade depth going into the playoffs last year...had nothing to do with the rookies who are playing this year...

TT was heading into his RFA year..with panarin also in his RFA year the likely hood of signing both was none...therefore he moved TT as a sweetner to get bickell's contract cleared...

habs run the aves out of the building 10-1 with 6 goals in the 1st; 3 each off of pritchard and varlomov...

hawks catch another team the stars with their 3rd game in 4 nites who got bounced by the flyers today...

What got me about the Rangers-Hawks game, is that the Hawks wasted a lot of really good chances. When they had the puck right in the slot 10-15 feet out they missed the net often.

Well said! But Stan is still not off the hook. He went overboard with signing his core players.. I give him a pass on Toews and Kane but SEABROOK's contract was a killer... Seven years, no trade clause , Ouch! Furthermore, Stan over appraised his rookies...highly unlikely, that any of our rookies will be eventually become 1st or2nd liners. So now our top player is Hossa . We are still looking for a LW for the top line..our farm team woen't bring you the LW. Stan needs to bring out the magic wand to get a LW THAT CAN SCORE.
- spanky

I think it might be a bit much to say "highly unlikely". I think there are a couple guys who had legit shots at being regular top 6 players on an NHL roster. It just isn't likely to be this season.

Anyone read Stewart'a column on HB? This is the core issue with the NHL, the refs have no responsibility to better the game. It's someone else's problem to fix it. No, the refs are the ones to manage the rules and make sure the game is played within those rules.
And if another person says "it's a fast game, and it is hard and difficult to be a referee", I an going to scream. A surgeon is a much more difficult job, and if a surgeon failed to make the correct call they would not be a surgeon anymore. If you are a ref, do the job you are paid to do, or else get out of the business.

Prospect update:

RW Alex DeBrincat has reached the 30 goal mark in just 28 games (only 4 of them have come off the PP). He also has 30 assists and is plus-32. He's still just 18 (turns 19 in a week). Given that it's a 68 game season in the OHL, DeBrincat is well on his way to scoring 50+ goals for the third consecutive season, a feat that's only been accomplished once before by Dale McCourt back in 1974-76.

Completely different eras, but in 7 NHL seasons (before finishing his career as a star in Switzerland) McCourt went on to seasons of 33, 28, 30, 30, 33, 20 and 20 goals scored.

The main knock on DeBrincat is, of course, his size. It's the reason why he was passed over entirely in the 2015 draft and fell to the Hawks in the 2nd round (39th overall) in 2016. He's currently listed at 5'7", 170 lbs. (Not that it matters but McCourt was 5'10"). There have been several smallish players who have done well in today's NHL, Johnny Gaudreau is 5'9", 160 lbs. Tyler Johnson is 5'8", 180lbs.

Being 18, DeBrincat has plenty of time to fill out his frame a bit more, but does 1 inch of height really make such a difference? Might the Hawks have gotten a steal with the 39th pick last year?

All other Hawk's forwards in Canadian Junior Leagues are scoring right around a point per game.

RW John Dahlstrom - (19 years old, 6'1", 197 lbs.) 16 G, 15 A in 31 games.

LW Radovan Bondra - (19 years old, 6'5", 221 lbs.) 18 G, 11 A in 29 games.

C Noel Nathan - (19 years old, 5'10", 175 lbs.) 14 G, 13 A in 27 games.

LW Alexandre Fortin - (19 years old, 6'0", 176 lbs.) 7 G, 12 A in 18 games.

LW Graham Knott - (19 years old, 6'4", 195 lbs.) 8 G, 17 A in 24 games.

RW Roy Radke - (20 years old, 6'2", 200 lbs.) 6 G, 5 A in 12 games.

Why are the Hawks not scoring ?

Hartman. 5 goals

Motte. 3 goals

Schmaltz. 1 goal

Hinostrozza 1 goal

Kempny. 0

Desjardin. 0

Rasmussen. 2 goals

Too too. 0

Toews. 4 goals

That is a total of 16 goals from 9 players......not good!


We traded two players last year, TT and Danault and right now those two have 13 goals so far. I would say Stan made some hefty mistakes with the two trades and over estimating the strength of the rookies.
- spanky

Meanwhile DeBrincat has been scoring like crazy, but still better hope that works out (Shaw with 6 g 9 a already for the Habs...) Habs with 10 goals last night against the 'lanche.

It´s not like TT and Danault would have scored 13 goals combined if they were playing with Hawks this year.

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About DeBrincat some say (in Hfboards) that skating might be the biggest issue turning pro with him. They say that he should be better skater with that frame. Is that right?

Anyone read Stewart'a column on HB? This is the core issue with the NHL, the refs have no responsibility to better the game. It's someone else's problem to fix it. No, the refs are the ones to manage the rules and make sure the game is played within those rules.
And if another person says "it's a fast game, and it is hard and difficult to be a referee", I an going to scream. A surgeon is a much more difficult job, and if a surgeon failed to make the correct call they would not be a surgeon anymore. If you are a ref, do the job you are paid to do, or else get out of the business.
- powerenforcer

Geez PE, when was the last time a surgeon got run over or hit with a flying frozen object while doing surgery? It's the site conditions where the job is taking place that makes it so difficult. More so for the linesmen than the ref so I'll give you that. But still. When it's real close and real fast anything is hard to see with no adverse conditions, much less the with pucks flying around and being screened or run into. It's a tough (frank)ing job being an on ice official. They are going to miss stuff.

Ok. Let's not forget that Steve Larmer walked out on the Hawks every bit as much as Sammy Sosa did.

Pat Foley laments that Bob Pulford refused to trade him after Larms complained that he was not having fun.

How many of you have fun with your job? It is called work for a reason.

Larmer had been on a team that won the President's trophy in 91, went to the Cup Final in 92, and won their division in 93. How much more fun is that?

Should Pulford just give him away? Did Yzerman just give away that kid last year who whined for a trade?

No history re-writes, please.

Also, during his career Larms did miss a game for the Hawks. Few know which one....but he was hurt, and not in the line-up.

Seabrook practiced yesterday and said he feels good. He could play tonight.

Anyone read Stewart'a column on HB? This is the core issue with the NHL, the refs have no responsibility to better the game. It's someone else's problem to fix it. No, the refs are the ones to manage the rules and make sure the game is played within those rules.
And if another person says "it's a fast game, and it is hard and difficult to be a referee", I an going to scream. A surgeon is a much more difficult job, and if a surgeon failed to make the correct call they would not be a surgeon anymore. If you are a ref, do the job you are paid to do, or else get out of the business.
- powerenforcer

This is where we agree, if the game is to fast for those refs then it's time to find new refs. Many people just enable the refs of any league. If you don't expect better you'll never get better.

Toews is skating this morning.

This is where we agree, if the game is to fast for those refs then it's time to find new refs. Many people just enable the refs of any league. If you don't expect better you'll never get better.
- BetweenTheDots

It's not the refs - they call the game as their bosses want them too.

It's not the referees' bosses - they instruct their charges to call the games the way the commissioner's office want them too.

It's not Bettman - he and hiss office work for:

THE OWNERS.

They are the ones who determine how the game should be played, ruled, officiated.

Do you really think that if the Board of Governors, representing 31 ownership groups, wanted to change the way the games are officiated - more penalties, less penalties, more calls in the name of safety or more offense or more game flow - or less - that the changes wouldn't be made?

Or maybe it's us, the fan group - maybe if we made more of a stink, or bought fewer licensed merchandise as a protest against the status quo....

Actually the repeated theme has been that the poor officiating impacts all teams, nobody is saying its only the Hawks. But nice try. You got any more?
- SimpleJack

Yeah okay, what are you a used car salesman? Nice try though you got anymore?

It's not the refs - they call the game as their bosses want them too.

It's not the referees' bosses - they instruct their charges to call the games the way the commissioner's office want them too.

It's not Bettman - he and hiss office work for:

THE OWNERS.

They are the ones who determine how the game should be played, ruled, officiated.

Do you really think that if the Board of Governors, representing 31 ownership groups, wanted to change the way the games are officiated - more penalties, less penalties, more calls in the name of safety or more offense or more game flow - or less - that the changes wouldn't be made?

Or maybe it's us, the fan group - maybe if we made more of a stink, or bought fewer licensed merchandise as a protest against the status quo....
- StLBravesFan

Going straight to the top, I like it. You're probably right typically someone who represents the owners has a trickle down effect. So in essence the ref is doing exactly what the owners want done and how the game is officiated.

It's funny that the NHL has gone in the direction of reducing the size of the goalies gear, they couldn't even get that right or done in time, instead of holding NHL refs to a different standard. Amazes me that the NHL acts so powerless when it comes to the refs on the ice. You talk about dysfunctional
- BetweenTheDots

Any more info on when the equipment size reduction is coming?