Steep is all relative, but the important thing to remember is point production...there is a trend that point production goes down, but it doesnt mean they become useless
- YuenglingJagr

Why play hockey if you can't produce more points than the other team? Can you give me an example of players who's production disappeared, but they were still effective players?

No team should ever pay a player over 28. They all suck.
- madmike71

That used to be the logic of everyone on the Pens board... "he's too old, don't sign him, let the young guns play, blah blah blah."

That used to be the logic of everyone on the Pens board... "he's too old, don't sign him, let the young guns play, blah blah blah."
- j.boyd919

Now it is overextend/overpay the shiny new toys even though they are fairly replaceable.

Steep is all relative, but the important thing to remember is point production...there is a trend that point production goes down, but it doesnt mean they become useless
- YuenglingJagr

That's the point there. Every year all we ever hear around the TDL is that teams are looking for D help. It's not like there's a ton of viable "replacement level" players that are being blocked by aging vets with a big contracts.

Fact is, there aren't enough good NHL defensman and teams need to be diligent in finding talent anyway they can. If someone want's to give Schultz a 4 or 5 year deal for 4+ mil, I let him walk. If the Pens can keep him for 3x3, I think pretty hard about giving him that deal 'cause we don't have a ton of D waiting in the wings that's ready for playoff hockey.

http://nerdhockey.com/by-...n-do-nhl-forwards-regress

^^Solid article on forwards, I can't find anything on D though.

http://www.tsn.ca/pinning...erformance-years-1.388514

Another good one.

http://donttellmeabouthea...yers-get-decline-and.html

Why play hockey if you can't produce more points than the other team? Can you give me an example of players whose production disappeared, but they were still effective players?
- j.boyd919

One goal Murray with another appearance. Four Goal Fleury NOT

I opened the thread just to see this

Looking at aging charts I also think you have to look at a players character and drive. 27+ is UFA years which means a lot of guys have just signed their big contract and are unlikely to be signing another deal until 32+. Motivation to hit the gym as hard would likely decline as the guys already paid. I think theres a reason why certain players have performed extremely well later into career... many are workout warriors.

I'd be interested in seeing analytics for age 28 between guys who were UFA at 27 and guys who signed a RFA deal that took them to 29. I bet the latter group that is more likely to see another big contract are outperforming.

I opened the thread just to see this
- DeflatedPucks

I had no idea Penguins were carnivores. We feasted on the Panthers like I feast on all you can eat rib night!

I had no idea Penguins were carnivores. We feasted on the Panthers like I feast on all you can eat rib night!
- MaDdMuNk87

Oh, haha I was thinking that they're only carnivores. (apparently beyond fish and stuff they can also eat squid - did not think that)

Players that don't produce points are bad.
- Feds91Stammer

Nobody needs goalies!

Nobody needs goalies!
- Peterg

Rutherford should be telling that to Fleury

I had no idea Penguins were carnivores. We feasted on the Panthers like I feast on all you can eat rib night!
- MaDdMuNk87

https://www.yahoo.com/new...algary-zoo-020638962.html

calgary defeats penguins 7-0

https://www.yahoo.com/new...algary-zoo-020638962.html

calgary defeats penguins 7-0
- YuenglingJagr

https://www.yahoo.com/new...algary-zoo-020638962.html

calgary defeats penguins 7-0
- YuenglingJagr

That's dark, chacho.

That's dark, chacho.
- Victoro311

it wasnt my best...RIP little guys...however, it was relevant to today's topic

https://www.yahoo.com/new...algary-zoo-020638962.html

calgary defeats penguins 7-0
- YuenglingJagr

I've been to the calgary zoo, pretty well managed compared to the edmonton one. I hear they still have an elephant living in that zoo that george laraque was trying to free.

https://www.google.com/am...-1481254777?client=safari

Anyone else see this about the Golden Knights being denied a trademark?
Just embarrassing

Why play hockey if you can't produce more points than the other team? Can you give me an example of players who's production disappeared, but they were still effective players?
- j.boyd919

Too many to name. Mike Silinger popped into my head.

Looking at aging charts I also think you have to look at a players character and drive. 27+ is UFA years which means a lot of guys have just signed their big contract and are unlikely to be signing another deal until 32+. Motivation to hit the gym as hard would likely decline as the guys already paid. I think theres a reason why certain players have performed extremely well later into career... many are workout warriors.

I'd be interested in seeing analytics for age 28 between guys who were UFA at 27 and guys who signed a RFA deal that took them to 29. I bet the latter group that is more likely to see another big contract are outperforming.
- sditulli

It has a lot to do with the time that guys start getting married and having kids

Hockey is no longer the #1 priority and the extra time that guys put in usually falls by the wayside

It's amazing how advanced stats have simply given "analysts" more data to draw from, which can be used to support basically any argument.

Olli Maatta is disparaged because of his shot attempt +/-, but meanwhile is 3rd on the team among defensemen in goals for percentage (64.9), well ahead of Dumoulin and even Letang. He's been on the ice for far more goals for than goals against, despite being on the ice for more shots against than for.

Which is more important?

How did Spiegals best C in the NHL go?

I realise he had an assist, but is he progressing?