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Dec 8 @ 3:37 PM ET
Why do I feel like the next time you post something like this it'll be about how guys hit their peak in their rookie year at age 18?
- HonkFortheGoose
I didn't say peak, nor 18 years old. Reinhart is good. Not saying otherwise. The initial convo was about us needing another stud. It's really not a big deal
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Dec 8 @ 4:06 PM ET
But that also was Johnny T's 3rd full season in the league. This is Reinhart's second.
You're one to talk about that this Sabres team isn't young due to NHL games played.
Here is a perfect example of comparing someone who hasn't played that many games to someone who was in the league at 18. - Stripes77
That's true, but even if you look at the players 2nd season above, it's not much different either. Seguin actually was better as a 20 year old, than a 21 year old. Jordan Staal scored 29 goals his rookie year, and hasn't reached that mark since
With top picks, after their 1st pro year or so, they are what they are.
With that being said, I'm sure Reinhart can have a career year of 70 points or so riding with Eichel, but I'd say that will be more because of 15
I think Disco Dan needs to do a little bit of mixing...I'm not sold on the Kane/Eichel/Reino line...no one to go get the puck. Reinhart isn't quick enough, or strong enough. Eichel shouldn't be expending his energy on that portion of the game so much as making things happen once we have possession, and Kane gets in his own way...great at banging bodies and shooting into shins, but not very good at puck control. I think what needs to happen is basically a swap of ROR and Eichel. Give Jack a guy like Okposo who can win battles, make a play with guys on him, and then get himself in position to assist with some scoring options. Carrier is the energy that forces the play while the other two use their hockey sense to get the puck back.
Reinhart is great at distributing the puck, and him and ROR had chemistry in the past.
The third line is great the way it is. The 4th line I would swap out Moulson for Deslauriers once he's good to go. I just don't see what Moulson brings to a 4th line. He and Ennis (once healthy) are in a tough spot.
I'd also love to see Eichel/Kane get some PK time. Our PK can't get much worse, but watching McDavid, Grabner, a host of Capitals and Bruins get short-handed opportunities against us really opened my eyes. Larsson ain't going 200 feet on a breakaway, neither is ROR...a shorty is a game-changer. Eichel has a long reach and can read lanes just as well as the next guy, he's a smart player, why not throw him out there. PK is probably the single greatest opportunity to create a breakaway chance, and we all know what he can do on those. Even Gretzky and Lemieux were regulars on the PK.
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Dec 8 @ 4:20 PM ET
I think Disco Dan needs to do a little bit of mixing...I'm not sold on the Kane/Eichel/Reino line...no one to go get the puck. Reinhart isn't quick enough, or strong enough. Eichel shouldn't be expending his energy on that portion of the game so much as making things happen once we have possession, and Kane gets in his own way...great at banging bodies and shooting into shins, but not very good at puck control. I think what needs to happen is basically a swap of ROR and Eichel. Give Jack a guy like Okposo who can win battles, make a play with guys on him, and then get himself in position to assist with some scoring options. Carrier is the energy that forces the play while the other two use their hockey sense to get the puck back.
Reinhart is great at distributing the puck, and him and ROR had chemistry in the past.
The third line is great the way it is. The 4th line I would swap out Moulson for Deslauriers once he's good to go. I just don't see what Moulson brings to a 4th line. He and Ennis (once healthy) are in a tough spot.
I'd also love to see Eichel/Kane get some PK time. Our PK can't get much worse, but watching McDavid, Grabner, a host of Capitals and Bruins get short-handed opportunities against us really opened my eyes. Larsson ain't going 200 feet on a breakaway, neither is ROR...a shorty is a game-changer. Eichel has a long reach and can read lanes just as well as the next guy, he's a smart player, why not throw him out there. PK is probably the single greatest opportunity to create a breakaway chance, and we all know what he can do on those. Even Gretzky and Lemieux were regulars on the PK. - gipper0073
Good post I am intrigued by the idea of swapping Eichel and ROR. We obviously need another top 6 winger but if GMTM doesn't make a move, maybe throw Moulson up there.
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Dec 8 @ 4:23 PM ET
I think Disco Dan needs to do a little bit of mixing...I'm not sold on the Kane/Eichel/Reino line...no one to go get the puck. Reinhart isn't quick enough, or strong enough. Eichel shouldn't be expending his energy on that portion of the game so much as making things happen once we have possession, and Kane gets in his own way...great at banging bodies and shooting into shins, but not very good at puck control. I think what needs to happen is basically a swap of ROR and Eichel. Give Jack a guy like Okposo who can win battles, make a play with guys on him, and then get himself in position to assist with some scoring options. Carrier is the energy that forces the play while the other two use their hockey sense to get the puck back.
Reinhart is great at distributing the puck, and him and ROR had chemistry in the past.
The third line is great the way it is. The 4th line I would swap out Moulson for Deslauriers once he's good to go. I just don't see what Moulson brings to a 4th line. He and Ennis (once healthy) are in a tough spot.
I'd also love to see Eichel/Kane get some PK time. Our PK can't get much worse, but watching McDavid, Grabner, a host of Capitals and Bruins get short-handed opportunities against us really opened my eyes. Larsson ain't going 200 feet on a breakaway, neither is ROR...a shorty is a game-changer. Eichel has a long reach and can read lanes just as well as the next guy, he's a smart player, why not throw him out there. PK is probably the single greatest opportunity to create a breakaway chance, and we all know what he can do on those. Even Gretzky and Lemieux were regulars on the PK. - gipper0073
Evander Kane is the one that should be going to get the puck on that line.
I think Disco Dan needs to do a little bit of mixing...I'm not sold on the Kane/Eichel/Reino line...no one to go get the puck. Reinhart isn't quick enough, or strong enough. Eichel shouldn't be expending his energy on that portion of the game so much as making things happen once we have possession, and Kane gets in his own way...great at banging bodies and shooting into shins, but not very good at puck control. I think what needs to happen is basically a swap of ROR and Eichel. Give Jack a guy like Okposo who can win battles, make a play with guys on him, and then get himself in position to assist with some scoring options. Carrier is the energy that forces the play while the other two use their hockey sense to get the puck back.
Reinhart is great at distributing the puck, and him and ROR had chemistry in the past.
The third line is great the way it is. The 4th line I would swap out Moulson for Deslauriers once he's good to go. I just don't see what Moulson brings to a 4th line. He and Ennis (once healthy) are in a tough spot.
I'd also love to see Eichel/Kane get some PK time. Our PK can't get much worse, but watching McDavid, Grabner, a host of Capitals and Bruins get short-handed opportunities against us really opened my eyes. Larsson ain't going 200 feet on a breakaway, neither is ROR...a shorty is a game-changer. Eichel has a long reach and can read lanes just as well as the next guy, he's a smart player, why not throw him out there. PK is probably the single greatest opportunity to create a breakaway chance, and we all know what he can do on those. Even Gretzky and Lemieux were regulars on the PK. - gipper0073
Not sure how I feel about Jack out there blocking shots on the PK.....
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Dec 8 @ 4:26 PM ET
Good post I am intrigued by the idea of swapping Eichel and ROR. We obviously need another top 6 winger but if GMTM doesn't make a move, maybe throw Moulson up there.
I don't know if I agree with this, for one reason.
It's pretty surprising, but at even strength Jack doesn't score often off of opportunities generated by others going and getting the puck. He scores off opportunities he creates himself. He carries the puck alot, and goes and gets it in the corners and sidewalls.
You will also see that his goals are usually LONG ones - he has a shot from outside the dots that surprises a good many goalies.
Bottom line - Jack doesn't need a guy who can go and get the puck and give it to him. He needs a guy who can just free it up so he can get it himself. Kane works for that role. Jack also needs a guy who can cash some of his great passes. Reinhart usually works in that role (despite the post Tuesday night against EDM.)
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Dec 8 @ 4:28 PM ET
I don't know if I agree with this, for one reason.
It's pretty surprising, but at even strength Jack doesn't score often off of opportunities generated by others going and getting the puck. He scores off opportunities he creates himself. He carries the puck alot, and goes and gets it in the corners and sidewalls.
You will also see that his goals are usually LONG ones - he has a shot from outside the dots that surprises a good many goalies.
Bottom line - Jack doesn't need a guy who can go and get the puck and give it to him. He needs a guy who can just free it up so he can get it himself. Kane works for that role. Jack also needs a guy who can cash some of his great passes. Reinhart usually works in that role (despite the post Tuesday night against EDM.) - Der Kaiser
Good points. I think overall we just need to keep giving it some time. Let them build the chemistry back up from last year and continue get physically and mentally into game shape.
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Dec 8 @ 4:28 PM ET
That's true, but even if you look at the players 2nd season above, it's not much different either. Seguin actually was better as a 20 year old, than a 21 year old. Jordan Staal scored 29 goals his rookie year, and hasn't reached that mark since
With top picks, after their 1st pro year or so, they are what they are.
With that being said, I'm sure Reinhart can have a career year of 70 points or so riding with Eichel, but I'd say that will be more because of 15 - sbroads24
Reinhart is a 60-75 point player playing with Eichel.
Those two have some weird chemistry.
I would rather keep them together and find a line mate for them...damn it Vesey
Okposo is a damn good player too though. We haven't even seen what they can do together. I feel like he and ROR have done well, but lack the speed to really create outside of mucking around the corners. I just haven't seen Kane creating much to this point in the year. As far as Eichel on the pk...it's a pretty passive pk...he just needs to take take away lanes and pick off the odd pass with his reach. Not much poop blocking goes on there. I mean if the great Connor McDavid is out there...I have no doubt Jack can be just as effective
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Dec 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
Okposo is a damn good player too though. We haven't even seen what they can do together. I feel like he and ROR have done well, but lack the speed to really create outside of mucking around the corners. I just haven't seen Kane creating much to this point in the year. As far as Eichel on the pk...it's a pretty passive pk...he just needs to take take away lanes and pick off the odd pass with his reach. Not much poop blocking goes on there. I mean if the great Connor McDavid is out there...I have no doubt Jack can be just as effective - gipper0073
I really don't like Jack on the PK. He's relied on to be out there 20+ minutes a night and the one to make something happen late in the game when we're down. The last thing we need is him out there on exhausting PKs and getting in the way of shots. How many times do you see players on the PK getting in front of opposition players who are about to T-off a slapshot, that shot then hits them in the leg or ankle and they go down. PK is a D-Lo, Grant, Larsson, Girgs possession... Eichel should be on the bench.
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Dec 8 @ 4:55 PM ET
“Refs make calls throughout the course of the game,” Kane said. “Whether your feel they’re right or they’re wrong or it’s they’ve been letting it go all game, you’ve got to find a way to respond.”
It's almost amazing at this point how much of a victim Kane thinks he is
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Dec 8 @ 4:59 PM ET
“Refs make calls throughout the course of the game,” Kane said. “Whether your feel they’re right or they’re wrong or it’s they’ve been letting it go all game, you’ve got to find a way to respond.”
It's almost amazing at this point how much of a victim Kane thinks he is - sbroads24
It's almost amazing that you take a quote that almost every single NHL player has said in his life and you twist it due to your hatred of a trade.
That is the standard response from almost every athlete
I am intrigued by the idea of swapping Eichel and ROR. We obviously need another top 6 winger but if GMTM doesn't make a move, maybe throw Moulson up there. 