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Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:07 PM ET
Since you're not that bright, apparently, I was being sarcastic, your post was childish and stupid.

Who said they had to make a move next week?

- LeftCoaster


You are right I am not that bright that is why I come here and read the comments section to raise my IQ level.

My thanks comment was also sarcasm.

My apologies if I offended with my childish sense of humour.
Kaynine
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.15.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:08 PM ET
Guddy is years younger the Edler and Tanev. Not same comparison for long term. As for NHL years played there is a base there to know what you got in Guddy. Why they made the trade. His recent play just doesn't raise price but it may be wishful thinking on lowering it.
- Nuck4U


Just because you're younger doesn't mean you should be paid more. He has the worst +\- on the team and doesn't produce offence. I am not saying he won't be worth a big contract but definitely not right now. They made the trade to help with with the D. He has some added benefits, like being a good character guy and a leader but doesn't mean you throw more money at him then any dman has seen in Van in a long time/ever.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 7 @ 10:08 PM ET
You are right I am not that bright that is why I come here and read the comments section to raise my IQ level.

My thanks comment was also sarcasm.

My apologies if I offended with my childish sense of humour.

- Reubenkincade

I got that

I hope you're not soft and can take my jabs?
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:10 PM ET
That would be laughable at best...hopefully not true.
- LeftCoaster



What is the right price and term?

I won't bring up my post above to this reply of suggested news.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:13 PM ET
I got that

I hope you're not soft and can take my jabs?

- LeftCoaster


It' all good I have very thick skin. I find it all entertaining here great for a laugh and some good hockey discussions ...well sometimes anyways.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 7 @ 10:16 PM ET
It' all good I have very thick skin. I find it all entertaining here great for a laugh and some good hockey discussions ...well sometimes anyways.
- Reubenkincade

it's entertaining for sure. I work in remote locations so it helps pass the time.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 7 @ 10:17 PM ET
The Utica Comets (10-11-1) defeated TOR 3-2 tonight.
Subban: 1 goal (GWG), 3 shots
Virtanen: 1 goal
Grenier: 1 assist
Demko: 32/34 saves
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:19 PM ET
Utica beat the Marlies. It is December , Toronto does what it does best
phyllee
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 06.24.2014

Dec 7 @ 10:23 PM ET
The Utica Comets (10-11-1) defeated TOR 3-2 tonight.
Subban: 1 goal (GWG), 3 shots
Virtanen: 1 goal
Grenier: 1 assist
Demko: 32/34 saves

- LeftCoaster


Id much rather give Grenier a shot in the lineup then Skille/Megna/Chaput
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:25 PM ET
it's entertaining for sure. I work in remote locations so it helps pass the time.
- LeftCoaster


Ya. Live in a remote.location So I can relate to that.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 7 @ 10:27 PM ET
That would be laughable at best...hopefully not true.
- LeftCoaster


No kidding, would rather sign him 3.5-4mill tops for the one year and let him walk after that as opposed to that anchor.

Dude has yet to prove he can even be a top 4 defenseman, paying him as a top 2 won't make it so
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:29 PM ET
Just because you're younger doesn't mean you should be paid more. He has the worst +\- on the team and doesn't produce offence. I am not saying he won't be worth a big contract but definitely not right now. They made the trade to help with with the D. He has some added benefits, like being a good character guy and a leader but doesn't mean you throw more money at him then any dman has seen in Van in a long time/ever.
- Kaynine



I get his play hasn't been good enough. Guddy may be first to admit it. Critics will say that's all he is.

Here is the problem. The market has moved. Only Edler remains as any established D that signed a contract. The market has moved up a lot since then. Cap has gone up so do contracts as well.

So he's up for new contact. He's not going for a small bump on it. Same situation with trade for Sutter and then signing extension. JB knows what he traded for at this level. They are not looking for bridge deals and will lock up long term. If that is the case then he's getting the big contract having played for so many years.

Personally, I'd like to see a bridge for minimum raise and 2 year term. But things don't work that way after commitment on trade. Plus JB would want long term not to risk Guddy going to UFA.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 7 @ 10:31 PM ET
That would be laughable at best...hopefully not true.
- LeftCoaster

It's Benning and contracts
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 7 @ 10:31 PM ET
What is the right price and term?

I won't bring up my post above to this reply of suggested news.

- Nuck4U


You tell me.
Keep in mind, the guy is currently being outplayed by Sbisa.





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Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:32 PM ET
No kidding, would rather sign him 3.5-4mill tops for the one year and let him walk after that as opposed to that anchor.

Dude has yet to prove he can even be a top 4 defenseman, paying him as a top 2 won't make it so

- Whiskey-Tango


Hasn't top 2 money moved into the 6M per year range? Superstars much more.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:33 PM ET
Demko will be in the AHL again next year, so your point is irrelevant.
- LeftCoaster


How do you know for sure ?
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:35 PM ET
You tell me.
Keep in mind, the guy is currently being outplayed by Sbisa.





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- Whiskey-Tango



lol Guddy's not playing well enough now. But contracts like his are based on years played. Look above to my reply post to Kaynine for more.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 7 @ 10:41 PM ET
If Hall had of run into Tryamkin instead of Larsen would we be talking about his concussion?
- A_SteamingLombardi


I haven't back-read (and I'm not going to) but if Larsen is heading home he should stay there. Once he has recovered there is a spot reserved for him on the Comets' 3rd pairing.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:41 PM ET
It was clean within the CBA and I don't thinkit would matter who it was that got hit here. I just still think it was unnecessary. Hall fully committed to the hit before Larsen had the puck. Had that puck gone passed Larsen w/o him touching it, the result would be the same, except Hall would be getting suspended right now.
- Retinalz



Yeah. Main thing about that hit is Hall came out of nowhere. It was an unusual place for him coming the other way around the net at the time based on the play. Why PL had no chance and didn't protect himself.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 7 @ 10:42 PM ET
I get his play hasn't been good enough. Guddy may be first to admit it. Critics will say that's all he is.

Here is the problem. The market has moved. Only Edler remains as any established D that signed a contract. The market has moved up a lot since then. Cap has gone up so do contracts as well.

So he's up for new contact. He's not going for a small bump on it. Same situation with trade for Sutter and then signing extension. JB knows what he traded for at this level. They are not looking for bridge deals and will lock up long term. If that is the case then he's getting the big contract having played for so many years.

Personally, I'd like to see a bridge for minimum raise and 2 year term. But things don't work that way after commitment on trade. Plus JB would want long term not to risk Guddy going to UFA.

- Nuck4U

Tanev just signed a deal with decent term for like 4.25. only 2.5 years difference i believe in age.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:42 PM ET
A little birdie tells me the Canucks have a 6 year 32.5M contract extension agreement in place with Guddy's agent which won't (can't) be announced until the first week in 2017.

So my question is what happens first? Guddy scores a goal or the 6 year extension is bought out?


- rojan61





I wouldn't worry too much about guddy signing a deal even close to that
Kaynine
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.15.2016

Dec 7 @ 10:43 PM ET
I get his play hasn't been good enough. Guddy may be first to admit it. Critics will say that's all he is.

Here is the problem. The market has moved. Only Edler remains as any established D that signed a contract. The market has moved up a lot since then. Cap has gone up so do contracts as well.

So he's up for new contact. He's not going for a small bump on it. Same situation with trade for Sutter and then signing extension. JB knows what he traded for at this level. They are not looking for bridge deals and will lock up long term. If that is the case then he's getting the big contract having played for so many years.

Personally, I'd like to see a bridge for minimum raise and 2 year term. But things don't work that way after commitment on trade. Plus JB
would want long term not to risk Guddy going to UFA.

- Nuck4U


Bridge deals are deals for players coming out of their ELC not a 25yr old.

Would you say Guddy is in the same place, player wise, as Seth Jones? Or Hampus Lindholm?

I don't think he is and that's what that contract would put him. If JB signs him to that contract the he should be fired a day later!!


Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:45 PM ET
Yeah. Main thing about that hit is Hall came out of nowhere. It was an unusual place for him coming the other way around the net at the time based on the play. Why PL had no chance and didn't protect himself.
- Nuck4U


What is so unusual for a player to go to an area where the puck might be headed ?
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 7 @ 10:47 PM ET
How do you know for sure ?
- Redmile247

I know everything?
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 7 @ 10:48 PM ET
lol Guddy's not playing well enough now. But contacts like his are based on years played. Look above to my reply post to Kaynine for more.
- Nuck4U


Contracts also tend to be based on skill, deployment, consistency, success and progressive development.

Even when Edler and Tanev were on the roster, Hutton and Stecher where logging more ice-time than E.G and they have a combined total of 118 NHL game experience to Erik's 335.
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