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Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 8 @ 11:34 AM ET

- Mordecai

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:35 AM ET
Step 1: Make AMac a center
Step 2: Talk him up really well to Montreal
Step 3: AMac for Weber and a 5th
Step 4: Who cares, we got Weber for AMac.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 11:35 AM ET
I used the pair of Streit and Provorov as an example of how slow Hakstol is to make adjustments because it did take him along time to realize the pair wasn't working.

Now who we are stuck with isn't Hakstol's issue. It's how he uses them. Playing Bellemare ahead of Schenn, Read and Raffl in a 4v4/3v3 situation isn't good. Replacing Couturier with Cousins on the PP isn't good. Sitting certain players and allowing certain undeserved players like Vandevelde and Streit to play isn't good. This is factual. Like, Raffl hasn't seen any PP time and the second unit hasn't gotten any better with what little adjustments made so far.

- SuperSchennBros


Actually, it's your opinion.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 8 @ 11:36 AM ET
Step 1: Make AMac a center
Step 2: Talk him up really well to Nashville
Step 3: AMac for Subban and a 5th
Step 4: Who cares, we got Subban for AMac.

- jmatchett383


ftfy
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 11:36 AM ET
Step 1: Make AMac a center
Step 2: Talk him up really well to Montreal
Step 3: AMac for Subban and a 5th
Step 4: Who cares, we got Subban for AMac.

- jmatchett383




I'll drive
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 11:36 AM ET
Yes...but would he, given the chance?
- jmatchett383


Nope. He's a good coach.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 11:37 AM ET
ftfy
- Streit2ThePoint


lol ouch
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 8 @ 11:38 AM ET
lol ouch
- Scoob


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:43 AM ET
ftfy
- Streit2ThePoint


BAH! Weber.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 8 @ 11:45 AM ET
I have 0 issue with Hak..

The team made the playoffs in his first year and they are well above 500 in winning % since he took over.

The thing about player moves if it was Babcock making the same moves people would be lauding a great coach making a tough choice for the benefit of the team..
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 8 @ 11:47 AM ET
If you are speaking of Vandevelde, his last goal was an empty netter. I believe two dumb luck off the skate goals.
- SuperSchennBros

Technically it is three off of the leg/skates, one empty netter, and one nifty "let me kill the goalie/ crash into the net" goal.

So...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 8 @ 11:48 AM ET
I have 0 issue with Hak..

The team made the playoffs in his first year and they are well above 500 in winning % since he took over.

The thing about player moves if it was Babcock making the same moves people would be lauding a great coach making a tough choice for the benefit of the team..

- opeth_pa

I dont believe that for a second... This is Philly. The best are always treated the worst. People would want him burned at the stake.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
Nope. He's a good coach.
- Scoob


So a good coach would sit a 29-year-old player who is, at worst, a legitimate AHL player, for a 67-year-old man who hasn't played professional hockey in 25+ years? That's your measure of a good coach???
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
holy poop dude...I was not giving him or taking credit from him. I was talking about his shooting percentage
- YuenglingJagr


You made the comment "if we take away the goals off his skates"
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:50 AM ET
I dont believe that for a second... This is Philly. The best are always treated the worst. People would want him burned at the stake.
- jak521


Now, if he were a caucasian backup coach, people would love him.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 8 @ 11:53 AM ET
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but happy Ron Hextall goal vs Boston day. Still one of my favorite memories and to me, an astounding feat.

Oh..and thanks for drafting Provy and Kony...

You're still bringing the noise today Hexy

- Hextall271


pretty cool that tonight is goalie night for the heritage night series.

I guess the following will be the this day in Flyers history segement tonight.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 11:53 AM ET
So a good coach would sit a 29-year-old player who is, at worst, a legitimate AHL player, for a 67-year-old man who hasn't played professional hockey in 25+ years? That's your measure of a good coach???
- jmatchett383


Clarke is still better
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:55 AM ET
Clarke is still better
- Scoob


Clarkeite
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 11:57 AM ET
I used the pair of Streit and Provorov as an example of how slow Hakstol is to make adjustments because it did take him along time to realize the pair wasn't working.

Now who we are stuck with isn't Hakstol's issue. It's how he uses them. Playing Bellemare ahead of Schenn, Read and Raffl in a 4v4/3v3 situation isn't good. Replacing Couturier with Cousins on the PP isn't good. Sitting certain players and allowing certain undeserved players like Vandevelde and Streit to play isn't good. This is factual. Like, Raffl hasn't seen any PP time and the second unit hasn't gotten any better with what little adjustments made so far.

- SuperSchennBros



I understand that replacing Couturier with Cousins on the PP wasn't good. He should've inserted the emergency PP sniper he had waiting in the wings instead. Perhaps the seasoned hockey coach, who has had a successful career is looking at a lot of factors, and desperately trying to find a combination that works, for sustained success. He's not a miracle worker. With the roster he has to work with, no matter what he does, there will be fans who disagree with the moves. That's the point.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 8 @ 11:57 AM ET
You made the comment "if we take away the goals off his skates"
- MJL

Yes, in an discussion about his shooting percentage, I elected to remove the goals off of his skates to see how "good puck luck" factored into his shooting percentage in comparison to his career numbers. I sincerely apologize, and if it is any consolation, I put the goals right back once I was finished.

I have yet to petition to the NHL that said goals are removed from the score sheet, record books, and hockey hall of fame
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:59 AM ET
Yes, in an discussion about his shooting percentage, I elected to remove the goals off of his skates to see how "good puck luck" factored into his shooting percentage in comparison to his career numbers. I sincerely apologize, and if it is any consolation, I put the goals right back once I was finished.

I have yet to petition to the NHL that said goals are removed from the score sheet, record books, and hockey hall of fame

- YuenglingJagr


I would like to take this time to restate that Mike Knuble has a record that is listed in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

And that the Gretzky 802 goal display is amazing.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 8 @ 12:01 PM ET

- Mordecai


Where did you get that exclusive picture of BiggE?

/runs
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 12:01 PM ET
Yes, in an discussion about his shooting percentage, I elected to remove the goals off of his skates to see how "good puck luck" factored into his shooting percentage in comparison to his career numbers. I sincerely apologize, and if it is any consolation, I put the goals right back once I was finished.

I have yet to petition to the NHL that said goals are removed from the score sheet, record books, and hockey hall of fame

- YuenglingJagr



It was more about removing those goals to fit a narrative.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
Yes, in an discussion about his shooting percentage, I elected to remove the goals off of his skates to see how "good puck luck" factored into his shooting percentage in comparison to his career numbers. I sincerely apologize, and if it is any consolation, I put the goals right back once I was finished.

I have yet to petition to the NHL that said goals are removed from the score sheet, record books, and hockey hall of fame

- YuenglingJagr


lol
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
So a good coach would sit a 29-year-old player who is, at worst, a legitimate AHL player, for a 67-year-old man who hasn't played professional hockey in 25+ years? That's your measure of a good coach???
- jmatchett383


I'd bet Bob Clarke would still cheat his way to being 50% at the dot at age 67.
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