Sounds like Ladd.. how's that working out? I want a Sniper.. someone who scores a goals. JVR has been rumored to be available his whole career for a reason. He is very inconsistent and I don't want him on this team. We have 2 or 3 kids not playing that I think are better than JVR. if I am giving up Hamonic I want better than JVR. Package Hamonic and MDC for better than JVR.
- niteislander

If you want, I'm fine with that. The JVR thing started because someone mentioned the leafs a while back and JVR just got thrown out there. Don't misconstrue this as a love-fest for JVR all of a sudden. Just a name that was thrown out.
And I don't think you would get JVR for Hammer straight up anyway.

If JVR can be had reasonably I'll take a flyer on him but not for Hamonic or 1 of the elite prospects....

JVR is better than what we have, so its worth a risk for right price...
- Ur Not Me

Hamonic & a 2nd or 3rd would probably get it done. Definitely not Hammer & elite prospect.

If JVR can be had reasonably I'll take a flyer on him but not for Hamonic or 1 of the elite prospects....

JVR is better than what we have, so its worth a risk for right price...
- Ur Not Me

No He isn't

Hamonic & a 2nd or 3rd would probably get it done. Definitely not Hammer & elite prospect.
- Isleshockeyman

Then I wouldnt... How bad does it look that we could have had Hall for Hamonic but now settling on JVR... Hell the F NO

No He isn't
- niteislander

Ok besides JT, whos better on team than JVR, GO...??

The guy I was hoping would be available via trade was Skinner. He was a guy we talked about a lot heading into that draft b/c everywhere He went the guy was a goal scorer. They talked about his skating, defense, etc. He came into the league and started to score goals immediately. That is the kind of Guy the Isles need. A sniper who can score goals. Unfortunately, Hall was that EXACT type of player and we let that trade happen without us... brutal. harmonic is a very good young defenseman at a very good price. If I am moving him I want an elite scorer.

Carolina is doing too well to think about making the Skinner move at this point.

Look at a team that is struggling..especially on Defense and that is the team you want to offer a trade. Leafs are youth building and in No rush.

No He isn't
- niteislander

One thing you have to take into consideration is that the Leafs have been bottom dwellers for the last 4 years. So you can't just say he can't score. He's averaging .63 points per game in his career and is a consistently high 20's goal scorer. What would he be able to do with JT? That's something we can't answer definitively. Another point is, what would he do with Crappy coaching him? I've said before, I'd really like to see what kind of talent we really have with a real coach who knows how to develop talent and young players. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone player could turn this team around. I believe that this team could have JT, Crosby, Toews, Ovi and Crappy would find a way to screw it up.

I would have the Kings, Nashville, and the Stars on speed Dial if I am the GM. They are all underperforming and have some top talent on the wings that might be available for a Hamonic.

Ok besides JT, whos better on team than JVR, GO...??
- Ur Not Me

I put JVR in the same talent level as a lot of our guys. Brock, Bouv, Barzal, Lee, Strome, etc. Put JVR Stat line next to those guys and they are very similar. JVR first 4 years in league.. goals 15, 21, 11, 18.. Brock's first 3 14, 20, 26.

If you give up Hamonic you need an Upgrade.. not a lateral movement.

The guy I was hoping would be available via trade was Skinner. He was a guy we talked about a lot heading into that draft b/c everywhere He went the guy was a goal scorer. They talked about his skating, defense, etc. He came into the league and started to score goals immediately. That is the kind of Guy the Isles need. A sniper who can score goals. Unfortunately, Hall was that EXACT type of player and we let that trade happen without us... brutal. harmonic is a very good young defenseman at a very good price. If I am moving him I want an elite scorer.

Carolina is doing too well to think about making the Skinner move at this point.

Look at a team that is struggling..especially on Defense and that is the team you want to offer a trade. Leafs are youth building and in No rush.
- niteislander

I like Skinner but the concussions are a concern. I think JVR is a good player and a fine pickup for the right price. I would not go overboard at this point though. MDC is starting to look like a player and Beau and Barzal have real promise. I do not see a big deal at this point anyway. NHL trading looks to be shutdown as usual. Garth missed his chance in the summer and hopefully it will be up to a new President and GM.

The guy I was hoping would be available via trade was Skinner. He was a guy we talked about a lot heading into that draft b/c everywhere He went the guy was a goal scorer. They talked about his skating, defense, etc. He came into the league and started to score goals immediately. That is the kind of Guy the Isles need. A sniper who can score goals. Unfortunately, Hall was that EXACT type of player and we let that trade happen without us... brutal. harmonic is a very good young defenseman at a very good price. If I am moving him I want an elite scorer.

Carolina is doing too well to think about making the Skinner move at this point.

Look at a team that is struggling..especially on Defense and that is the team you want to offer a trade. Leafs are youth building and in No rush.
- niteislander

That's because Snow was busy playing with his puppies. Seriously though, while I like Hammer, he's a bottom 4 D-man. Not top 2. Yes he's young and yes he has a team friendly cap hit, but he doesn't have a JB/Pulock type shot. He also doesn't have blazing speed and he's not going to close ground on ±75% of the forwards in this league in a breakaway situation. If he was to be traded, then I definitely agree with you that you put together a package and get an elite winger in return. Don't d!ck around with another middle 6 forward.

As I said as the longest tenured forwards, Bailey on the top line is asking him to be the leader on this team along with JT. I also think JT is still growing in his Captain's role and may have shown even more this year. Like it or not, Bailey should stay up there since this was originally Ladd's role as second Captain but Ladd can concentrate more on his play on the other line.

I put JVR in the same talent level as a lot of our guys. Brock, Bouv, Barzal, Lee, Strome, etc. Put JVR Stat line next to those guys and they are very similar. JVR first 4 years in league.. goals 15, 21, 11, 18.. Brock's first 3 14, 20, 26.

If you give up Hamonic you need an Upgrade.. not a lateral movement.
- niteislander

Sorry bud ur delusional, u cant compare JVR to Beau, Barzal bc JVR is proven in NHL and those kids arent,

Next, Lee & Strome, yea ok, to more inconsistent players compared to a consistent JVR again

Brock yo may have a case but we've seen Brock not be consistent, so until he does JVR is the better player and resume,

U have any more..??


oh btw, compare how many games JVR missed compared to Brock... thanks

JVR for Hamonic? No thanks.. Not sure why everyone is in love with JVR all the sudden. JVR is not Taylor Hall... you don't give up Hamonic for JVR. You give up Hamonic for a Hall in a minute.
- niteislander

Hamonic is pretty terrible this season. Like really bad

Sorry bud ur delusional, u cant compare JVR to Beau, Barzal bc JVR is proven in NHL and those kids arent,

Next, Lee & Strome, yea ok, to more inconsistent players compared to a consistent JVR again

Brock yo may have a case but we've seen Brock not be consistent, so until he does JVR is the better player and resume,

U have any more..??


oh btw, compare how many games JVR missed compared to Brock... thanks
- Ur Not Me

I am afraid you are the delusional one. Look at JVR's first 4 years in the NHL. He was less consistent than Brock, Lee and Strome. You fail to understand that JVR has been in the league longer. Part of his "consistency" is he had the chance to play for years in this league. He stunk his first 3 years. I would argue our guys are better in their first years than Him.

Hamonic is pretty terrible this season. Like really bad
- Cptmjl

certainly started that way.. so did Leddy. Seems to be getting his sht together recently.

I put JVR in the same talent level as a lot of our guys. Brock, Bouv, Barzal, Lee, Strome, etc. Put JVR Stat line next to those guys and they are very similar. JVR first 4 years in league.. goals 15, 21, 11, 18.. Brock's first 3 14, 20, 26.

If you give up Hamonic you need an Upgrade.. not a lateral movement.
- niteislander

And his last 4 years are 30,27, 14(40 games. extrapolates out to 29), 11 through 24 games (extrapolates to 38). And that was on some really bad Leafs teams. I don't care if we get him or not. Quite frankly, as stated before, I don't want anyone being brought in until this entire regime is gone. Let a new staff evaluate everyone and make the necessary changes to get the contracts commensurate with the talent. Then maybe we can compete with the big boys deep into the playoffs.

I am afraid you are the delusional one. Look at JVR's first 4 years in the NHL. He was less consistent than Brock, Lee and Strome. You fail to understand that JVR has been in the league longer. Part of his "consistency" is he had the chance to play for years in this league. He stunk his first 3 years. I would argue our guys are better in their first years than Him.
- niteislander

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I am afraid you are the delusional one. Look at JVR's first 4 years in the NHL. He was less consistent than Brock, Lee and Strome. You fail to understand that JVR has been in the league longer. Part of his "consistency" is he had the chance to play for years in this league. He stunk his first 3 years. I would argue our guys are better in their first years than Him.
- niteislander

But you have to look at the teams he was on. The flyers were pretty loaded when he broke in with them and was playing 2nd -3rd line shifts. The leafs were pretty awful for a good chunk of years.

JVR for Hamonic? No thanks.. Not sure why everyone is in love with JVR all the sudden. JVR is not Taylor Hall... you don't give up Hamonic for JVR. You give up Hamonic for a Hall in a minute.
- niteislander

Agreed

I would have the Kings, Nashville, and the Stars on speed Dial if I am the GM. They are all underperforming and have some top talent on the wings that might be available for Scott Mayfield.
- niteislander

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- Ur Not Me

This is the funniest part of these boards. You guys love to sht all over our players and then cry when they are on other teams doing well. WTF are you laughing at exactly? The numbers don't lie. Everything I said is accurate. Keep laughing dumb Arse.

But you have to look at the teams he was on. The flyers were pretty loaded when he broke in with them and was playing 2nd -3rd line shifts. The leafs were pretty awful for a good chunk of years.
- Isleshockeyman

The other side of that argument is he was on the top PP unit for the same reason.

This is the funniest part of these boards. You guys love to sht all over our players and then cry when they are on other teams doing well. WTF are you laughing at exactly? The numbers don't lie. Everything I said is accurate. Keep laughing dumb Arse.
- niteislander

Got me pegged wrong, if the players dont mesh well here but do someplace else, then fine, it is what it is. But hey, u keep being the Koolaider and think our players are good enough.

have an idea, go ask other fans of team or better go into TOR thread and ask, nevermind I may ask 4 u...

certainly started that way.. so did Leddy. Seems to be getting his sht together recently.
- niteislander

Both him and Hickey were borderline abortions last night. He's indecisive out there the entire season. Not good for a defenseman l.