MAF still has trade value, you will be very suprprised how much actually.

MAF still has trade value, you will be very suprprised how much actually.
- Dcoms

What are you basing this on?

Where's the love for Cullen's goal? Given his age, to get a break away like that, put the puck in a position where he didn't lose it, evading any potential for a defenseman to screw up his shot... all pretty good stuff lost in a high scoring game.

Oh well. Great complaint to have, eh?

Where's the love for Cullen's goal? Given his age, to get a break away like that, put the puck in a position where he didn't lose it, evading any potential for a defenseman to screw up his shot... all pretty good stuff lost in a high scoring game.

Oh well. Great complaint to have, eh?


- coohill

Dude is probably spending today sitting in an ice bath and taking calcium supplements

that is getting silly expensive. Fleury needs to go for cap reasons. We can't have close to $10 tied up in the goalie position. so having to eat something to ship fleury out and then bribe Vegas not to select Murray would be very expensive.

I don't think signing a back up will be that hard before the expansion draft. Bigger issue is figuring out fleury and boosting his value enough to limit downside of trading him.
- sditulli

Not so sure its going to be silly expensive.

From wiki's '00 draft:

Columbus

"San Jose traded Jan Caloun, a ninth-round pick (Martin Paroulek) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft, and a conditional pick in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft to Columbus on June 11, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov.

Buffalo traded Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Matt Davidson, and two fifth-round draft picks, one each in the 2000 (Tyler Kolarik) and 2001 (Andreas Jämtin) Entry Drafts, to Columbus on June 23, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Dominik Hasek or Martin Biron.
Minnesota

San Jose traded Andy Sutton, a seventh-round pick (Peter Bartoš) in the 2000 Entry Draft and a third-round pick (later traded to Columbus - (Aaron Johnson)) in the 2001 Entry Draft to Minnesota on June 11, 2000, for an eighth-round pick in the 2000 Entry Draft after the Wild agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov."

Typical bribes to expo teams are lower grade prospect, or late round pick... meh.

Eating some that is less than the value of Flower shouldn't be a deal breaker. Had he not sunk last night, we could be having talks of his value getting back to neutral and things looking bright on dealing him.
- Guile

Bribe maybe typically lower, but it all comes down to how much leverage las vegas has. partly a function of when you make the bribe. If you make it earlier when we have other options it would be less; if you make it last minute when we have no other way to become expansion compliant then they can charge us the full price of murray.

I'm much more concerned about the PK than I am about Fleury.

They really miss Lovejoy on the PK.

I just think the defense needs to be improved somewhere. I'm for some sort of maatta+ deal for trouba

I just think the defense needs to be improved somewhere. I'm for some sort of maatta+ deal for trouba
- drummer829

Dunno if WPG would go for it. I'm game though.

Bribe maybe typically lower, but it all comes down to how much leverage las vegas has. partly a function of when you make the bribe. If you make it earlier when we have other options it would be less; if you make it last minute when we have no other way to become expansion compliant then they can charge us the full price of murray.
- sditulli

If I'm the Vegas GM, I'm ringing JR & letting him know I'm taking best player available no matter what deal he wants to sell to not take Murray. How great a start would it be to have Murray in goal for the new organisation?

If I'm the Vegas GM, I'm ringing JR & letting him know I'm taking best player available no matter what deal he wants to sell to not take Murray. How great a start would it be to have Murray in goal for the new organisation?
- Aussiepenguin

And if I'm GMJR, I would never let it get to that point. I'd pick up a cheap goalie off waivers, scratch him through the playoffs, and buy out Fleury if it came down to it.

And if I'm GMJR, I would never let it get to that point. I'd pick up a cheap goalie off waivers, scratch him through the playoffs, and buy out Fleury if it came down to it.
- j.boyd919

Pretty sure the organisation won't buy him out - don't they love him. Marios history has loyalty written all over it. Best chance we have is to find a taker now.

I still think a trade with the Flames taking Elliott back is the way to go. But there will probably be more pieces to it - maybe even Maatta.

Pretty sure the organisation won't buy him out - don't they love him. Marios history has loyalty written all over it. Best chance we have is to find a taker now.

I still think a trade with the Flames taking Elliott back is the way to go. But there will probably be more pieces to it - maybe even Maatta.
- Aussiepenguin

It's a business. If Murray gives them the best chance to win, a buyout will happen. Just as people always get traded or they don't get resigned, the first thing they say is that "it's a business and if that's what they feel is best than so be it." Same goes with buyouts.

Pretty sure the organisation won't buy him out - don't they love him. Marios history has loyalty written all over it. Best chance we have is to find a taker now.

I still think a trade with the Flames taking Elliott back is the way to go. But there will probably be more pieces to it - maybe even Maatta.
- Aussiepenguin

Love him as a person, plus they simply do not buy out anyone. Fleury will be traded to a team of his choosing. MAF's choice is does he want to be a starter or as a backup.

It's a business. If Murray gives them the best chance to win, a buyout will happen. Just as people always get traded or they don't get resigned, the first thing they say is that "it's a business and if that's what they feel is best than so be it." Same goes with buyouts.
- j.boyd919

MAF has to be frustrated with the handling of the goaltender situation in Pittsburgh. Quite frankly the next move is his. Does he want to be paid as a starter in his next contract or as a backup? The longer he waits the less likely he will be paid as a starter.

MAF has to be frustrated with the handling of the goaltender situation in Pittsburgh. Quite frankly the next move is his. Does he want to be paid as a starter in his next contract or as a backup? The longer he waits the less likely he will be paid as a starter.
- Thunderbolt

Yohe kind of intimated that MAF would probably not hold back the Pens by using his NTC. Whether that's true or not, who knows. He can make it very unpleasant if he wants to. I bet his agent strategically listed teams that could make it very difficult to trade him.

MAF has to be frustrated with the handling of the goaltender situation in Pittsburgh. Quite frankly the next move is his. Does he want to be paid as a starter in his next contract or as a backup? The longer he waits the less likely he will be paid as a starter.
- Thunderbolt

He's getting starter money no matter what. He's got 2 years at 5.75. Even if he's bought out he collects basically 4/year play a new deal likely in the 3-4 range at a minimum.

Wonder what MON will give Pens for Fehr... they are down to only 2 centers now....

Gets Kuhn or Guen in lineup and saves 2 mil

Wonder what MON will give Pens for Fehr... they are down to only 2 centers now....

Gets Kuhn or Guen in lineup and saves 2 mil
- nh4442

I know it's far too soon to start talking repeat and quite literally anything can happen between now and June, BUT, there are currently 7 NHL players averaging over a point per game and the Penguins have 3 of them. Same 3 players make up 50% of the top 6 scorers overall. I would prefer this scenario to having the Art Ross winner on the roster any day. Teams win cups not individuals.

Where is Feds, this is proof we cannot call Flower 4 goal anymore due to his GA being 3.42 which is closer to 3 than 4!

From this day on he shall be referred to as "3 goal Fleury"!

I know it's far too soon to start talking repeat and quite literally anything can happen between now and June, BUT, there are currently 7 NHL players averaging over a point per game and the Penguins have 3 of them. Same 3 players make up 50% of the top 6 scorers overall. I would prefer this scenario to having the Art Ross winner on the roster any day. Teams win cups not individuals.
- Dcoms

Not if Toews is playing!

Matt Murray.

What are you basing this on?
- Rinosaur

Nhl gms are smarter than hockey buzzers.

Matt Murray.
- powerhouse

Hypothetically, what could we get for Muzza???