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JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Dec 4 @ 2:48 PM ET
Are you really trying to make the case that Coots is performing like a 1C?

Prior to this season you could make a compelling case that he was a 2c and after his start to this season that argument became way less stable.

The game isnt just based on CORSI stats at ES and prior to injury this season nothing was working for him.

Im 100% with you on getting a blue chip top 6 center prospect.

- opeth_pa


He's saying that the sum of Giroux and Coots will equal a 1C and 2C.

Let's just ingonre the 60+ games Coots was the Flyers' best forward at 5v5

Re Ghost: He's already better than a third pairing defender. I see him as a long term #3 albeit he may be a bit sheltered, but that would be how he would be best used imo.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 4 @ 2:56 PM ET
this eagles team SUCKS
- 2Real

This is an accurate statement
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:58 PM ET
Way to have your teamed disciplined and prepared Doug. What a joke
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 3:03 PM ET
This is an accurate statement
- Dkos

i'm going to have to look for new things to watch on netflix until the flyers come on this is just awful
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 3:07 PM ET
andy reid winning again mean while his left over trash is getting crush only in philly
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:08 PM ET
Phillysportsfan and Mononoke and you couldn't tell them anything different. It was a regular debate.
- SuperSchennBros


Okay. I'm a huge Ghost fan, but I never saw his as a top pair guy.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:09 PM ET
i'm going to have to look for new things to watch on netflix until the flyers come on this is just awful
- 2Real


I thought you were gonna go watch Netflix.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 4 @ 3:12 PM ET
i'm going to have to look for new things to watch on netflix until the flyers come on this is just awful
- 2Real

Narcos!
WhirlingDervish
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "Make The Flyers Great Again", PA
Joined: 02.01.2016

Dec 4 @ 3:14 PM ET
At work - not watching the Eagles (got the radio on...)- and thank god. They are getting embarrassed.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:17 PM ET
At work - not watching the Eagles (got the radio on...)- and thank god. They are getting embarrassed.
- WhirlingDervish


Sounds like you should turn the radio off then, if it's that bad.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 3:30 PM ET
Mentioned a little yesterday, but I want to see Konecny as a 2nd line center. To try at out at least. Maybe Schenn and Simmonds on his wings.
- flyer_nutter


Konecny does not have the size, or defensive game to play Center in the NHL in my opinion.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:31 PM ET
Konecny does not have the size, or defensive game to play Center in the NHL in my opinion.
- MJL



I want to see Schenn get an extended look to be honest.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:37 PM ET
I want to see Schenn get an extended look to be honest.
- MBFlyerfan

Me too, with the right wingers I think Schenn can succeed at center
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 3:40 PM ET
nice to see the eagles show up in the 4th kind of like how the flyers love to try and come back as well
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 4 @ 3:42 PM ET
Okay. I'm a huge Ghost fan, but I never saw his as a top pair guy.
- jmatchett383


Top pair is such an ambiguous, meaningless phrase though. Any good team with a deep defensive roster splits their minutes pretty evenly. People might have this fantasy in their heads of Drew Doughty slaying opponents and dragons in the toughest minutes in the world, but over the last few years he actually has gotten equally hard minutes to the second pairing on LA. People often confuse "shutdown" pairing with "top" pairing. It's not. Your top pairing, if you indeed have one, is your best pairing. The Flyers going forward are actually in the unique position where they might interchangeably have multiple of those.

I don't think Ghost is any worse defensively (and his defense is always criminally underrated because he's flashy offensively) than Karlsson or Burns. I don't think anyone hesitates to call them #1s. If Ghost is a Karlsson-lite player, I don't see why he can't be a compliment to someone like Provorov on your best pairing. People just have this idea that Ghost can only be a sheltered 3rd pair PP guy, when in reality he is way smarter and way better defensively than that. For example, I bet that Ghost would be an excellent PKer with the way he reads the play and anticipates, with his quick skating and active stick, but he will never get a chance there because of inherent biases.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:47 PM ET
nice to see the eagles show up in the 4th kind of like how the flyers love to try and come back as well
- 2Real


I thought you were turning it off to go watch Nextflix.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:49 PM ET
Top pair is such an ambiguous, meaningless phrase though. Any good team with a deep defensive roster splits their minutes pretty evenly. People might have this fantasy in their heads of Drew Doughty slaying opponents and dragons in the toughest minutes in the world, but over the last few years he actually has gotten equally hard minutes to the second pairing on LA. People often confuse "shutdown" pairing with "top" pairing. It's not. Your top pairing, if you indeed have one, is your best pairing. The Flyers going forward are actually in the unique position where they might interchangeably have multiple of those.

I don't think Ghost is any worse defensively (and his defense is always criminally underrated because he's flashy offensively) than Karlsson or Burns. I don't think anyone hesitates to call them #1s. If Ghost is a Karlsson-lite player, I don't see why he can't be a compliment to someone like Provorov on your best pairing. People just have this idea that Ghost can only be a sheltered 3rd pair PP guy, when in reality he is way smarter and way better defensively than that. For example, I bet that Ghost would be an excellent PKer with the way he reads the play and anticipates, with his quick skating and active stick, but he will never get a chance there because of inherent biases.

- Mononoke


Sure.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 4 @ 4:53 PM ET
andy reid winning again mean while his left over trash is getting crush only in philly
- 2Real

Aww you still watch football. It's not really a sport anymore it's a 4 hour marketing campaign block with roughly 25 minutes of actual play mixed in. Buy a new truck, drink Coors and watch the modern gladiators shorten their lifespans for the frenzied masses...

Never understood Philadelphia's obsession with the sport.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 4 @ 4:54 PM ET
I thought you were turning it off to go watch Nextflix.
- jmatchett383

Haha
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
i'm going to have to look for new things to watch on netflix until the flyers come on this is just awful
- 2Real

Have you seen The Crown? I didn't think I'd like it, but it's really good.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:06 PM ET
Have you seen The Crown? I didn't think I'd like it, but it's really good.
- Dkos

Over Thanksgiving weekend I heard from 2 people about the Crown will probably check it out this week.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:09 PM ET
Over Thanksgiving weekend I heard from 2 people about the Crown will probably check it out this week.
- Pixote Andolini


Good historical drama. Great acting and production values.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:24 PM ET
Top pair is such an ambiguous, meaningless phrase though. Any good team with a deep defensive roster splits their minutes pretty evenly. People might have this fantasy in their heads of Drew Doughty slaying opponents and dragons in the toughest minutes in the world, but over the last few years he actually has gotten equally hard minutes to the second pairing on LA. People often confuse "shutdown" pairing with "top" pairing. It's not. Your top pairing, if you indeed have one, is your best pairing. The Flyers going forward are actually in the unique position where they might interchangeably have multiple of those.

I don't think Ghost is any worse defensively (and his defense is always criminally underrated because he's flashy offensively) than Karlsson or Burns. I don't think anyone hesitates to call them #1s. If Ghost is a Karlsson-lite player, I don't see why he can't be a compliment to someone like Provorov on your best pairing. People just have this idea that Ghost can only be a sheltered 3rd pair PP guy, when in reality he is way smarter and way better defensively than that. For example, I bet that Ghost would be an excellent PKer with the way he reads the play and anticipates, with his quick skating and active stick, but he will never get a chance there because of inherent biases.

- Mononoke


Robert Thomas (London Knights) is another forward to watch.......had 5 points today including a dandy shorthanded
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 4 @ 5:38 PM ET
Robert Thomas (London Knights) is another forward to watch.......had 5 points today including a dandy shorthanded
- ob18


11th Commandment: Draft London's depth players in the 2nd+ rounds.

Idk if Thomas is 1st round material yet (and he might sneak in at the tail end on potential yet), and I haven't seen him this season, but he's definitely someone that could be a riser and/or be a fascinating 2nd round pick. He'd be on my list right now for sure around there.

Speaking of London, after seeing him in the u18s, I really wanted to draft Kuokkanen, if you remember, with one of our 2nd round picks. Just missed him. He's doing really really well in his first couple months of NA hockey. If Carolina drafts a Finn in the 2nd round, be worried.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:51 PM ET
Have you seen The Crown? I didn't think I'd like it, but it's really good.
- Dkos

no i'll have to watch it
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