He plays Gardiner roughly one minute per night less than Rielly, who he is grooming to be the elite #1 guy they hope he can be.

I don't think you're making any kind of point here.
- James_Tanner

2016-17 NHL Season.

TOI/G

Morgan Rielly: 22:59
Jake Gardiner: 19:38

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

Bye Felicia.

Jake Gardiner (frank)ing sucks

Also, idiots can laugh all they want - the numbers don't lie. Just consider this: my argument is backed up by measured data and everyone else is just giving their opinion.
- James Tanner



So, which is it, James? The numbers (you know, the things you live and die by) show Step is almost 0.1 points per game better than Kadri. Is this my opinion? You are a peach.
- Tonybere

I just said, stats that are based on results are not good for comparison.

2016-17 NHL Season.

TOI/G

Morgan Rielly: 22:59
Jake Gardiner: 19:38

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

Bye Felicia.
- Atomic Wedgie

I.... I like you.

I just said, stats that are based on results are not good for comparison.
- James_Tanner

I was looking at playoff stats

I just said, stats that are based on results are not good for comparison.
- James_Tanner

The entire sport is based on results, what a lame answer.

I think he meant Henrik, Nash, Staal and Girardi like you said. And I think the context was with respect to moving forward. I have my doubts Henrik can keep it up at 36 and 37. Although I think the sentiment that the Rangers will have to go through some massive rebuild soon isn't based on much evidence.
- RonPielep

Now there is a valid point set out in a fashion that will lead to reasonable discussion!
They will have a problem with Hanks contract in a couple years. But it is that they have no fewer than 4 promising goaltenders in the organization right now and at least one of them will be ready to push Hank by that time. How do you sit $10.5M at the end of the bench each game? But after that season his contract is up and we will see what we will see.
Nash's contract is up in 2 years and he's playing great right now. So, not much of a problem.
Staal and G are a dilemma. Mostly because Staal is looking ok at best right now. G has rebounded very well after his first full off-season with no surgeries in quite a while. He may still be bought out before the expansion draft, but as he is one of my all-time favourite Rangers, I could live with keeping him around.
So, like you said. Reports of a rebuild are misguided, but there will be a need for shrewd management. Thankfully, so far that is exactly what we've seen from Jeff Gorton!

2016-17 NHL Season.

TOI/G

Morgan Rielly: 22:59
Jake Gardiner: 19:38

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

Bye Felicia.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's embarrassing.

As for the ice time, gardiner doesn't kill penalties - which many defensively effective players don't because once you're boxed in , like you are on a PK, it's the Polaks and guys who are traditionally good defensive players like that who ARE effective, in that situation.

The entire sport is based on results, what a lame answer.
- tomburton99

Well it's true. If you want to compare guys, use stats that have big samples. Anything with goals or points is a results based stats that is subject to massive fluctuations in shooting percentage.

I just said, stats that are based on results are not good for comparison.
- James_Tanner

So, you prefer stats that are based on what if's? Or maybe Corsi related to Unicorn rides?
#thickheaded

That's embarrassing.

As for the ice time, gardiner doesn't kill penalties - which many defensively effective players don't because once you're boxed in , like you are on a PK, it's the Polaks and guys who are traditionally good defensive players like that who ARE effective, in that situation.
- James_Tanner

Gardiner average 1:10 minutes more than Reilly on the PP per game.

Well it's true. If you want to compare guys, use stats that have big samples. Anything with goals or points is a results based stats that is subject to massive fluctuations in shooting percentage.
- James_Tanner

Here's a secret, results matter.

If you don't use result based stats, Kadri is far superior, more consistent and much better at defense. If you're going to argue, at least be honest about it. Stepan is your favorite and you won't admit Kadri is better no matter what proof you see.

The reality is, Kadri is several levels above Stepan. He's way, way, way better.
- James_Tanner

Kadri is a good player in his own right. However, to make a statement that he is "several levels" above Stepan and "way, way, way better" is hyperbolic and where you lose credibility.

Kadri is a good player in his own right. However, to make a statement that he is "several levels" above Stepan and "way, way, way better" is hyperbolic and where you lose credibility.
- rangerdanger94

Hogwash, results, etc.

Kadri is a good player in his own right. However, to make a statement that he is "several levels" above Stepan and "way, way, way better" is hyperbolic and where you lose credibility.
- rangerdanger94

I love how he denies he is a Ranger hater

just admit it Tanner, for once

Gardiner average 1:10 minutes more than Reilly on the PP per game.
- tomburton99

And he deserves it.

I'll say this about Gardiner - he's one of the best in the league at taking the puck over the blueline. Which is kind of funny, because for 10 years I've been screaming at Leafs fans for falling in love with Leafs players who do one thing well, while overlooking the 20 things they do badly. But there you have it: Gardiner is great at getting the puck over the blueline - which is quite important on the powerplay.

As for Mr. Tanner's assertion that Gardiner's biggest contributions come from the defensive side of the game, yet for that very reason you can't use him on the penalty kill, well....I think I'm going to have to go lie down and think about that one for a moment.

And he deserves it.

I'll say this about Gardiner - he's one of the best in the league at taking the puck over the blueline. Which is kind of funny, because for 10 years I've been screaming at Leafs fans for falling in love with Leafs players who do one thing well, while overlooking the 20 things they do badly. But there you have it: Gardiner is great at getting the puck over the blueline - which is quite important on the powerplay.

As for Mr. Tanner's assertion that Gardiner's biggest contributions come from the defensive side of the game, yet for that very reason you can't use him on the penalty kill, well....I think I'm going to have to go lie down and think about that one for a moment.
- Atomic Wedgie

Gardiner is a good player in his own right, just like Kadri. But Tanner's consistent hyperbolic statements regarding these 2 players is what causes the negative reaction whenever either one of them are brought up.

If James simply argued that they are good players, rather than the best/elite/most underrated by far and it's not even debatable, then everyone would agree.

Well it's true. If you want to compare guys, use stats that have big samples. Anything with goals or points is a results based stats that is subject to massive fluctuations in shooting percentage.
- James_Tanner

This started where you were shown that Stepan scores 0.1 ppg more over their entire careers!!!! How much more of a sample size do you want?
I hear Kadri really ripped it up in Tyke. Maybe you could add those stats to your "argument."

And he deserves it.

I'll say this about Gardiner - he's one of the best in the league at taking the puck over the blueline. Which is kind of funny, because for 10 years I've been screaming at Leafs fans for falling in love with Leafs players who do one thing well, while overlooking the 20 things they do badly. But there you have it: Gardiner is great at getting the puck over the blueline - which is quite important on the powerplay.

As for Mr. Tanner's assertion that Gardiner's biggest contributions come from the defensive side of the game, yet for that very reason you can't use him on the penalty kill, well....I think I'm going to have to go lie down and think about that one for a moment.
- Atomic Wedgie

I was just saying that Tanner assertions that Reilly plays more because of PK, which is true. But Gardiner get's more PP time than every leafs per game named named Matthews.

Gardiner is a good player in his own right, just like Kadri. But Tanner's consistent hyperbolic statements regarding these 2 players is what causes the negative reaction whenever either one of them are brought up.

If James simply argued that they are good players, rather than the best/elite/most underrated by far and it's not even debatable, then everyone would agree.
- rangerdanger94

I suspect that Mr. Tanner is simply doing this to generate hits - and quite frankly, the non-results based statistics would probably show what he is doing is effective.

Whether you are laughing with him or laughing at him, he's still cashing in.

I suspect that Mr. Tanner is simply doing this to generate hits - and quite frankly, the non-results based statistics would probably show what he is doing is effective.

Whether you are laughing with him or laughing at him, he's still cashing in.
- Atomic Wedgie

which is one of the reasons he always targets a Ranger in his nutty blogs and comments, he knows it'll get things rolling

I suspect that Mr. Tanner is simply doing this to generate hits - and quite frankly, the non-results based statistics would probably show what he is doing is effective.

Whether you are laughing with him or laughing at him, he's still cashing in.
- Atomic Wedgie

Which I will give him credit for, I've this myself on his own blog. He's crazy like a fox. He says stuff and get's hits. Hook, line and sinker. He's the best on the site at it. Best since
Berry and CLoutier.

which is one of the reasons he always targets a Ranger in his nutty blogs and comments, he knows it'll get things rolling
- jimbro83

I disagree Jim. He doesn't mention Rangers too often. I don't think he knows a thing about them. Much like the game of hockey!

Which I will give him credit for, I've this myself on his own blog. He's crazy like a fox. He says stuff and get's hits. Hook, line and sinker. He's the best on the site at it. Best since
Berry and CLoutier.
- tomburton99

Was Berry (Barry) the LA Blogger?

He knew absolutely nothing about hockey.

I disagree Jim. He doesn't mention Rangers too often. I don't think he knows a thing about them. Much like the game of hockey!
- Tonybere

He's done a few times. But we're actually the naive ones, he doesn't care and he still cashes a check for the comments. So he's winning on that front.