Horton doesn't count though, you're able to hide that on LTIR.
- tomburton99

I believe Lupul and Robidas are also off the cap at the moment.

I say "I believe" because it's something we don't dare talk about in Leafsland, in case somebody from another team realizes we are circumventing the cap by simply telling our crappy, overpaid players to stay the hell away from the team.

Seriously, Lou Lamoriello scares the poop out of me.

We took out our garbage, you still have yours.



- winsix

The Rangers have scored 18 more goals than the Leafs this year

LOL

We took out our garbage, you still have yours.



- winsix

Leaf$ have a higher payroll than the Rangers this year

I believe Lupul and Robidas are also off the cap at the moment.

I say "I believe" because it's something we don't dare talk about in Leafsland, in case somebody from another team realizes we are circumventing the cap by simply telling our crappy, overpaid players to stay the hell away from the team.

Seriously, Lou Lamoriello scares the poop out of me.
- Atomic Wedgie

I wasn't trashing the leafs. That was a smart move. They just pay and stash Horton.

We took out our garbage, you still have yours.



- winsix

What garbage? They're winning right now...

What garbage? They're winning right now...
- SRam19

The right side of the Rangers blue line is a mess, they need one in the worse way.

The right side of the Rangers blue line is a mess, they need one in the worse way.
- tomburton99

Well when it comes down to it, I'm sure you guys will pull off a trade for shattenkirk or something.

The right side of the Rangers blue line is a mess, they need one in the worse way.
- tomburton99

Shattenkirk

Well when it comes down to it, I'm sure you guys will pull off a trade for shattenkirk or something.
- SRam19

I believe Lupul and Robidas are also off the cap at the moment.

I say "I believe" because it's something we don't dare talk about in Leafsland, in case somebody from another team realizes we are circumventing the cap by simply telling our crappy, overpaid players to stay the hell away from the team.

Seriously, Lou Lamoriello scares the poop out of me.
- Atomic Wedgie

Looking at NHLNumbers.com, it appears that only Horton is off the cap right now, but I think that just means that the Leafs only need him off at the moment (i.e., if they added more salary, they could accommodate it by taking Lupul's and Robidas' salaries off the cap).

Well when it comes down to it, I'm sure you guys will pull off a trade for shattenkirk or something.
- SRam19

I doubt the Blues trade him, they are a win now team. Now if the Flames are dumb enough to listen to offer for Hamilton then.....

The weirdest thing about all of this is Babcock - a supposedly good coach - watches Gardiner live at practice every day and in games 82 times a year, yet he can't see what is so blatantly obvious to Tanner, who sees it clear as day when looking at subjective stats on websites.

MLSEL is flushing $50 million down the toilet.
- Atomic Wedgie

He plays Gardiner roughly one minute per night less than Rielly, who he is grooming to be the elite #1 guy they hope he can be.

I don't think you're making any kind of point here.

Looking at NHLNumbers.com, it appears that only Horton is off the cap right now, but I think that just means that the Leafs only need him off at the moment (i.e., if they added more salary, they could accommodate it by taking Lupul's and Robidas' salaries off the cap).
- Atomic Wedgie

I used NHLnumbers, but that site stinks for cap stuff.

Here is the one that is go to for me.
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

He plays Gardiner roughly one minute per night less than Rielly, who he is grooming to be the elite #1 guy they hope he can be.

I don't think you're making any kind of point here.
- James_Tanner

1 minute per game is a huge difference! That's approximately 5% more. Think of the difference between 5% in Corsi. A player with a 48% Corsi is trash compared to a player with a 53% Corsi!

He plays Gardiner roughly one minute per night less than Rielly, who he is grooming to be the elite #1 guy they hope he can be.

I don't think you're making any kind of point here.
- James_Tanner

he watches the Leafs every single night

you look at their Corsi stats

I'll take his word for it

1 minute per game is a huge difference! That's approximately 5% more. Think of the difference between 5% in Corsi. A player with a 48% Corsi is trash compared to a player with a 53% Corsi!
- rangerdanger94

James Tanner claims, numerous time Gardiner is elite. Now he's also underrated. Love this guy, man.
- tomburton99

I guess it claims what your definition of elite is. I would say that anyone in the top 30 of 180-200 players is elite.

But considering the responses to even calling him underrated, or saying how good he is, I would say it is 100% inarguable that he is in fact underrated.

Also, idiots can laugh all they want - the numbers don't lie. Just consider this: my argument is backed up by measured data and everyone else is just giving their opinion.

I guess it claims what your definition of elite is. I would say that anyone in the top 30 of 180-200 players is elite.

But considering the responses to even calling him underrated, or saying how good he is, I would say it is 100% inarguable that he is in fact underrated.

Also, idiots can laugh all they want - the numbers don't lie. Just consider this: my argument is backed up by measured data and everyone else is just giving their opinion.
- James_Tanner

Career high of 31 points. He's good, top 4 on most teams. He's not elite, which you said he is.

Nazem Kadri to date. Career of .614 PPG

Derek Stepan to date. Career of .696 PPG.

Math, bruh.
- tomburton99

If you don't use result based stats, Kadri is far superior, more consistent and much better at defense. If you're going to argue, at least be honest about it. Stepan is your favorite and you won't admit Kadri is better no matter what proof you see.

The reality is, Kadri is several levels above Stepan. He's way, way, way better.

If you don't use result based stats, Kadri is far superior, more consistent and much better at defense. If you're going to argue, at least be honest about it. Stepan is your favorite and you won't admit Kadri is better no matter what proof you see.

The reality is, Kadri is several levels above Stepan. He's way, way, way better.
- James_Tanner

Stepan is not my favorite, I like that he plays for the Ranger, but they are the same age. If Stepan stinks so does Kadri.

Career high of 31 points. He's good, top 4 on most teams. He's not elite, which you said he is.
- tomburton99

Who cares about his point totals? He played on some of the worst offensive teams of recent history and he wasn't on the PP for much of that time.

Vlasic, who's been elite for years is 4 or 5 years older and didn't top 36 points until last year.

Chris Tanev has a career high of 20 points and he's elite too.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
Everyone knows Hank is 34 now, and he remains one of the best goalies in the league. So, highly paid, yes. Overpaid, no.
Rick Nash is, I believe, the only forward over 30, at all of 32. Yes, his contract is a monster cap hit, but he is on pace for 30 goals. Not exactly terrible.
Staal and Girardi are making too much money, I'll give you that. But in today's NHL less than 6 million is not ludicrous. And each have given their heart, body and soul to the team, so I'll live with it.
Ryan McDonagh is one of the best contracts in the league.
The rest of their top 9 forwards are an avg. age of 24 and earn an avg. of $3.5M.
Please tell me who is it you mean that is old and overpaid. Come on, show us that you don't know what you're talking about some more.

And as for having the least Cups of the Original 6. Of course the do. They were the doormats of the league for 3 generations! That was a LONG time ago, friend. And I am not sure how and why it matters to anything.

Have a nice day.
- Tonybere

I think he meant Henrik, Nash, Staal and Girardi like you said. And I think the context was with respect to moving forward. I have my doubts Henrik can keep it up at 36 and 37. Although I think the sentiment that the Rangers will have to go through some massive rebuild soon isn't based on much evidence.

Who cares about his point totals? He played on some of the worst offensive teams of recent history and he wasn't on the PP for much of that time.

Vlasic, who's been elite for years is 4 or 5 years older and didn't top 36 points until last year.

Chris Tanev has a career high of 20 points and he's elite too.
- James_Tanner

Vlasic has the unique ability of being a great defensive d-men that doesn't stink up your data sheets.

1 minute per game is a huge difference! That's approximately 5% more. Think of the difference between 5% in Corsi. A player with a 48% Corsi is trash compared to a player with a 53% Corsi!
- rangerdanger94

Where to even start?

First, 5% difference in corsi is not 53/48 that is in fact 5 percentage points.

Second, different things are harder to do and have more impact, so you can't compare percentages the same way. a 1 percentage point difference in Corsi is significant because of the parity of the NHL and the overall quality of players.

Playing one minute less per game isn't significant to the point where you can say 'Babcock disagrees' because it's one minute. Now, if gardiner was getting 12 mintutes per night you'd have a point.

If you don't use result based stats, Kadri is far superior, more consistent and much better at defense. If you're going to argue, at least be honest about it. Stepan is your favorite and you won't admit Kadri is better no matter what proof you see.

The reality is, Kadri is several levels above Stepan. He's way, way, way better.
- James_Tanner

Also, idiots can laugh all they want - the numbers don't lie. Just consider this: my argument is backed up by measured data and everyone else is just giving their opinion.
- James Tanner



So, which is it, James? The numbers (you know, the things you live and die by) show Step is almost 0.1 points per game better than Kadri. Is this my opinion? You are a peach.