On good teams, 4th line players no longer have "no actual effect" on the game. 4th lines have become a vital part of championship teams over the last 8-10 years.

But in general I agree - we love our lunchbucket guys in T.O.
- fifty__missions

We haven't had a good team for the last 8-10 years.

But it's always been this way in Toronto.

Komarov
Domi (although maybe he doesn't belong on this list, but for sure his popularity was disproportionate to his skill level)
Foligno (FFS, he jumped when he scored - which he did about once every 2 years by the time we got him)
Ken Baumgartner
Oh poop, I could go on and on...

Here's the only reason I would entertain trading for a d-man right now:

Are we holding back some kids who would benefit from more ice time if we traded JVR?

I think the answer is probably "no", but I think it's something that should be pondered.

Bobby Mac was on the radio this morning, and he was suggesting that there are a couple of NHL-ready forwards who are toiling away on the Marlies right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

Then they are the ones that should be traded, somehow I don't think they are that ready.
Gotta keep the team they have now, try to upgrade with prospects and picks.

Sorry if the repetitiveness came off bumhole-ish, not my intention.

Anywho the rationale for me is the following:

- Leafs have pushed the draft and develop strategy as well as patience, which should still be the attitude going forward
- This team is likely not going to compete even with the addition of a young d-man right away
- Getting a d-man right now is more expensive than after deadline and playoffs start when the expansion picture becomes more clear
- D-man prices will go down as we start to figure out who gets exposed
- If we get a d-man now, chances are that Carrick (who in my mind is an NHL defenseman on many teams, and is also young and may increase in ability) gets picked up by Vegas for nothing in return
- We have some young guys that look good that could fill the spot in years to come
- TheMussel

Not sure about the bolded.
The leafs are 1 point out of a wildcard spot... and had we had better D, may even have 2-3 pts extra....as defensive woes have cost us several games.
Now I know its still so early.
If andersen keeps playing like this...a battle for a playoff spot is not out of the question. ...and its better to have the kids battle for a playoff spot and maybe make the first round...then not.

I believe that when the CRTC demanded they switch from analog to digital, CBC did not convert all of their transmitters and then on Dec 31, 2012 stopped all analog transmission. The result is that outside of Toronto and Ottawa and some other areas, you can no longer get any CBC OTA signal. for example I live in London, and as far as I know, there is no OTA CBC signal available here.
- vermie22

Holy poop, you are correct.

Wow, that really surprises me.

https://cbchelp.cbc.ca/hc...mission-tower-in-my-area-

I would have thought that the national mandate of the CBC would necessitate OTA across our true north strong and free country.

We haven't had a good team for the last 8-10 years.

But it's always been this way in Toronto.

Komarov
Domi (although maybe he doesn't belong on this list, but for sure his popularity was disproportionate to his skill level)
Foligno (FFS, he jumped when he scored - which he did about once every 2 years by the time we got him)
Ken Baumgartner
Oh poop, I could go on and on...
- Atomic Wedgie

Same thing in baseball. Johnny Mac, Kawasaki, etc.

I believe that when the CRTC demanded they switch from analog to digital, CBC did not convert all of their transmitters and then on Dec 31, 2012 stopped all analog transmission. The result is that outside of Toronto and Ottawa and some other areas, you can no longer get any CBC OTA signal. for example I live in London, and as far as I know, there is no OTA CBC signal available here.
- vermie22

Just buy a digital antenna

Burkie being Burkie. Said only way Dougie Hamilton is available is if team offers 20 1st round picks.

I believe that when the CRTC demanded they switch from analog to digital, CBC did not convert all of their transmitters and then on Dec 31, 2012 stopped all analog transmission. The result is that outside of Toronto and Ottawa and some other areas, you can no longer get any CBC OTA signal. for example I live in London, and as far as I know, there is no OTA CBC signal available here.
- vermie22

Good news:

Looks like you should be able to pull in OTA CBC in London:

http://www.cbc.radio-cana...v-maps/tn-0015-tve-on.pdf

We haven't had a good team for the last 8-10 years.

But it's always been this way in Toronto.

Komarov
Domi (although maybe he doesn't belong on this list, but for sure his popularity was disproportionate to his skill level)
Foligno (FFS, he jumped when he scored - which he did about once every 2 years by the time we got him)
Ken Baumgartner
Oh poop, I could go on and on...
- Atomic Wedgie

This is why I consider the Leafs to be a bit of an anomaly in the sports world. Most of the time to inspire as much hatred that the Leafs do from other fan-bases the team is usually good.

Good news:

Looks like you should be able to pull in OTA CBC in London:

http://www.cbc.radio-cana...v-maps/tn-0015-tve-on.pdf
- Atomic Wedgie

lol OF COURSE I will be right in a dead zone.

This is why I consider the Leafs to be a bit of an anomaly in the sports world. Most of the time to inspire as much hatred that the Leafs do from other fan-bases the team is usually good.
- markmark

Leafs fans generate that

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It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.
- Ross77

Well your wrong !!! And I feel sorry for you living in The Peg !!

Holy poop, you are correct.

Wow, that really surprises me.

https://cbchelp.cbc.ca/hc...mission-tower-in-my-area-

I would have thought that the national mandate of the CBC would necessitate OTA across our true north strong and free country.
- Atomic Wedgie

just another example of a CRTC mandate that ended up creating a worse service overall for the end users.

lol OF COURSE I will be right in a dead zone.
- markmark

http://www.cbc.radio-cana...v-maps/tn-0015-tve-on.pdf

Brian Burke on Leafs lunch about Hamilton
- TheMussel

I bet he was pissed.
What did he say?

Good news:

Looks like you should be able to pull in OTA CBC in London:

http://www.cbc.radio-cana...v-maps/tn-0015-tve-on.pdf
- Atomic Wedgie

Will a digital antenna still work with anolog?

This is why I consider the Leafs to be a bit of an anomaly in the sports world. Most of the time to inspire as much hatred that the Leafs do from other fan-bases the team is usually good.
- markmark

I totally get it, though.

If I'm an Edmonite* or a Calgarian or Vancouverite, I'd be pissed if half the building was cheering for the Leafs.

Which, incidentally, is why Leafs/Habs games at the ACC are better than any other game. Way too many fans who left Montreal in the 1960s to 1980s and moved to Toronto, but kept cheering for the Habs (kinda hard to blame them for that).

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* From the day Mike Tyson called them Edmonites, I have used this phrase.

I bet he was pissed.
What did he say?
- Fakepartofme

Some team he didn't name called about Hamilton and gave them an insulting offer and then that team told other teams that they talked about Hamilton so apparently Hamilton is on the block. Also Hamilton is a 6'5 237lb d-man who has a right shot, skates like a deer and is great in the room (sarcastic banter ensues). They would listen to an offer of 20 first round picks.

Will a digital antenna still work with anolog?
- bobbyisno1

I'm afraid that's beyond my tech knowledge.

Just buy a digital antenna
- bobbyisno1

that unfortunately is the problem, there is no digital tower that covers London, and the analog one no longer transmits TV.


Note I am getting this information from my co-worker who only uses OTA antennas, and can't get CBC. so not 100% sure.

Leafs fans generate that
- Symba.007

Oh, and Montreal fans?
Leaf fans only care about the Leafs, Montreal fans care about Montreal and hating on the Leafs.

Same thing in baseball. Johnny Mac, Kawasaki, etc.
- PlatosRepucklic

Not really.
Johnny Mac was a heart and soul who had a big emotional game once.

No one held Kawasaki in any high regard....just liked his interviews.

Oh, and Montreal fans?
Leaf fans only care about the Leafs, Montreal fans care about Montreal and hating on the Leafs.
- bobbyisno1

As a Leafs fan in Montreal, the latter point has converted me into a Habs hater over my time here.

This is why I consider the Leafs to be a bit of an anomaly in the sports world. Most of the time to inspire as much hatred that the Leafs do from other fan-bases the team is usually good.
- markmark

I don't know if it's hatred as much as it is jealousy. The Leafs have the most fans in the world (and the most detractors), their popularity demands huge coverage, their fans flood opposing rinks, they generate huge sums of money. And they do all this while still being bad. I think other teams fans see this and go "hey, why can't our team be this popular?".

Some team he didn't name called about Hamilton and gave them an insulting offer and then that team told other teams that they talked about Hamilton so apparently Hamilton is on the block. Also Hamilton is a 6'5 237lb d-man who has a right shot, skates like a deer and is great in the room (sarcastic banter ensures). They would listen to an offer of 20 first round picks.
- TheMussel

"Skates like a deer" seems like an odd phrase.